Why don't BJJ schools practice where eye gouges, biting, and groin grabs are allowed?

[lost]

I've trained at a few BJJ schools and the only school that trained with them was a JKD school, wouldn't it make sense to include them once in a while in training?

[Robert Kipness]

So you actually want a bunch of dudes practicing grabbing your nuts?

[lost]

As long as their hands are nice and soft I wouldn't mind, I might even enjoy it.

Grabbing hard around the area would work, and scratching above the eyes would work for eye gouges.

[Aab]

As long as their hands are nice and soft I wouldn't mind, I might even enjoy it.

Grabbing hard around the area would work, and scratching above the eyes would work for eye gouges.

Why not train and stab each other and blow your friends head off when he attempts a take down?

[Robert Kipness]

I hear dawn dish soap makes hands nice and soft.

[Brandon Palmer]

We're starting rape offense classes soon.

Know about it.

[Brandon Palmer]

And training eye gouges is like training small joint manipulations...don't know that there's a lot of technique involved (sorry small circle jits guys). You just take your fingers, and stick them in someones eyeballs...you just grab a finger, and bend it the wrong way until it breaks.

You just kidnap a stripper, go to a densely woo...sorry i blacked out there for a second.

[AJ Camacho]

Things like that cannot be practiced in real time. They can only be done with fake gestures or soft strikes relegating them to fight theory rather than any technique that can be drilled in live rolling. Additionally, all dirty strikes are still subject to the rules of dominant position just like any other strike. If I mount a dirty fighter and he reaches down for a groin grab, I can more easily gouge his eyes out.

Personally, I don't see the value in training a dirty tactic that can only be trained within the confines of a preplanned drill or one step. I mean take any standard BJJ move for example. There is a drastic difference between a drilled arm bar and a live dynamic arm bar in a live rolling session that must adapt to the ever changing situation. Drills make up the pieces that we put together as a puzzle during live rolling.

If I drilled dirty tactics would they effectively carry over into their first use in a dynamic and live self defense situation? I don't know.

[lost]

It sure can be practiced in a live rolling situation, just include scratching above the eyes to simulate eye gouging. The whole grappling game changes when you know if you go for a double leg you'll have a thumb thrust deep in your eye socket, same goes for certain guard passes, side control positions, sweeps, half guard, etc...

I think if you haven't grappled like this you aren't prepared for a real fight.

[leach_jeffrey]

BJJ is a sport, with rules, that don't allow eye gouging.

If you are interested in that, you should take something like Hagannah. It teaches all kinds of evil stuff, one of the concepts are that you need to end fights because you assume you can't escape, so the three choices are: subdue (mainly for law enforcement, not recommended), immobilize (techniques for breaking ankles and back mostly), and death (some cool techniques for twisting a guys skull off the top of their spine).

There is a whole ground portion to the system, but the idea is that you want to be on your feet, the ground stuff is really ways to hurt someone quickly so that you can get back up on your feet. There are some of what you'd call submissions, but they don't teach to submit. I believe the term is that 'if they tap, it means you are doing something right, so keep going'.

Also, there is technique for eye-gouging.... it's referred to as 'going bowling', if you stick your finger in an eye, you have to push it all the way in like you'd do for a bowling ball. It also advises against biting because of disease, but the general rule is that if you bite, you need to keep going until your teeth touch. Otherwise, you aren't doing any real harm and only playing around.

That being said, whenever you learn a self defense system, the limitation is that you can't practice at 100% because you will run out of partners. This is one reason I've switched to BJJ. I can have fun and I can actually use what I've learned on a daily basis. Plus, I like the sport part of it.