First Mir and now Magalhaes??!

[Isaac Atley]

tbf i think its jsut a process of evolution. first ufc was a bunch of brawlers and then bjj came along and dominated them. i think the reason people think bjj is out now is that it dominated so much that everyone started doing it. wretlers came in and had some good g&p and then got tapped out, then they learnt bjj and wrestling started dominating them but its not that wrestling is better i think that wrestlers have been putting more time into jiu jitsu than jiu jitsu guys have been doing wrestling. wrestling has evolved to be aware of submissions just like stand up guys have adjusted their stances becuase of takedowns.

i think that mma is only barely coming into its teenage years, its no where near complete yet, wait until all the different styles of stand up are in there, capoiera mixed in with muay thai mixed with wreslting and jiu jitsu and sambo.

not only that but jiu jitsu guys that are dangerous of their back and on top and havea deadly open guard and a deadly clinch game.

i also think that jiu jitsu having such a big fan group in teh early days has gotten so many people into it and has watered down what it really means to be a black belt.

[Chris Garry]

If Usain Bolt joined the Yankees tomorrow would you expect him to hit home runs? No?

Yet he is the fastest man alive and baseball players have to run fast sometimes in baseball, so..

[Robert Carlin]

Wrestling can determine where a fight will take place but Jiu Jitsu can finish a match in a heartbeat. Like Sonnen-Silva 1! Both are incredible disciplines and to be honest it would be good to be competent in both.

I thought belcher looked as if he was fighting injured. Also Vinny needed to get it to the mat early on. When I saw how slippery Phil davis back was in round 2 I was convinced that there was no way he would get a hold of Davis.

[Ehsan_Karam]

Agreed, tired of seeing guys with a clear advantage on the ground, not press the issue. Once you realize you're outclassed on the feet your entire goal should be to drag the fight to the ground however you can. Jump guard, smash a guy into the fence and neutralize some of his wrestling advantage, football tackle a mother fucker, SOMETHING!!!

[Josh Bodmon]

Vinny's the one who was in there so only he can answer this, but I really think that Phil needs a tonne of credit for his game plan and how he dictated the fight. He pretty much had Vinny worrying about defending punches and throwing strikes to keep Davis at bay then about going for submissions. Phil was smart to avoid the ground for the most part just to take Vinny's strength out of it. One thing I noticed which has been going on forever but was apparent in this particular fight was that when it comes to the ground, the fight favours the person on top. In bjj if you establish some grip and pull guard, if your opponent stands up, they must engage or are penalized. If at any point you stand up from ground fighting, you can almost always step away and have the ref stand the fight up, which essentially is a disadvantage to the better ground guy. Interesting fight, I'm sure Vinny learnt so much from this fight and will be back much better from this.

[Clinton lawrence]

Why would you want to go to the ground with vinny ?

davis had to take a gamble in that his stand up is and was better then vinny 's and with his wrestling background he was going to stop any take down that vinny would have/and did shoot on him excellent game plan by davis

as far as bisbing vs belcher

bisping has 14 wins via knock out 4 via submission and has never been submitted

instead of trying to knock him out and trade blows alan should have closed the distance work up against the cage look to take it to the ground and took bisping in to waters unknown

just my thoughts

[Jack LaBarge]

GSP has no wrestling credentials. GSP is a bjj black belt.

Bjj guys fail for not trusting their bjj. Maia is a great example.

GSP is a wrestler. His wrestling credentials is his MMA fights nobody gets the takedowns as good as him. GSP is not dominating his opponents with his BJJ.

Maia is a great example of adapting his bjj for mma. JJ won't work if you can't get into a grappling situation.

Is Maia the best example you guys can come up with? Sad. Maia has only 1 submission win since 2009. Losing twice to 2 wrestlers also. But I do understand the point you were making. Eddie talks about it all the time. The next generation of fighters will be great at every aspect of fighting. Less specialist, just complete warriors!

Maia vs. Fitch fight I keep hearing about. If that fight hits the ground I would expect Maia to dominate Fitch. So is it really that huge of a win. Of course its mma and these things don't always happen. Maia is a multiple time World Champion in bjj. Fitch, a walk on at a d1 college, ends his college wrestling career with a losing record. Gets his bjj bb in 5 years. Of all the former wrestlers (mma)that have a black belts in bjj. Fitch is the only one I consider a true jiu jitsu guy over his wrestling.

GSP Isnt A Great Wrestler Either. He Has A Good Single And A Good Double, But His Entries And Timing On His Takedowns Comes From His Karate.

Those Are His Words.

He However Does Have A Bjj Black Belt.

If you can take down a National Wrestling Champion at will. You are a great Wrestler! I don't care if its karate timing its still a Wraslin move!!! Again he's not dominating his opponents with his bjj.

[Chauncey Nu'usolia]

Jiu Jitsu is just a piece to the puzzle..and you cant go in there with just really good jj and work that gameplan its not gonna work. Especially if the other guy is more well rounded. Phil was more well rounded he was the better fighter point blank.

Also Rickson and Marcelo have been quoted in saying 70% of jiu jitsu doesnt work in MMA.Yea he took his back for a second there's that missing 30%.

Lets be real with each other vinny lost because he didnt have any 10p logo's. How the hell does a 10p black belt not rep it super confused.

[sean applegate]

If you can take down a National Wrestling Champion at will. You are a great Wrestler! I don't care if its karate timing its still a Wraslin move!!! Again he's not dominating his opponents with his bjj.

Idk, that's just what he said.

[Brent Smith]

Idk, that's just what he said.

I think what GSP was referring to was how he is able to close that gap.