i'd like to bitch about people slamming on the RG

[Stewart Landry]

[Chris Odell (Datsusara)]

Great post there.

[Stanton Gavia]

So tonight I attended a BJJ seminar and the home instructor made a big point of having the seminar instructor mention that "rubber guard doesn't work", mostly so he could tell me in front of 30 or so people to prove it's not just him that thinks that. Then of course I mention that it's new and yet some have had success with it, when I named a few names they pretty much blew them off as did a few other black belts attending.

I just wanted to bitch about this here and say how much I want to see the system keep evolving so these fucks have to eat their words. I don't get why people are so fucking disrespectful and rude about it. Yes it's not the end all move but who said it was? It's just a tool and when it works why not use it. Why always the "rubber guard doesn't work, period" stance? Or am I just being stubborn because it seems to work for me at low levels and maybe these guys are partially right? Say it ain't so.

I'm very glad I have places to train around here but these gi only schools and their old ways piss me off sometimes. Sigh.

I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! all we can do is prove them wrong brother

[John Hickman]

I'd like to welcome you all to the annual playa haters ball. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go put some water in Buck Nasty's mama's dish. I hope everything bad happens to you, only you, and nobody else.

haha, I love that shit.

[Daniel D.]

I post on a hardcore/punk message board. There's a jits thread on there with probably about 10 or so dudes that post in there that train. I'm the only 10th planet dude. Whenever I bring up RG, I'm told to drop it and don't waste my time, that RG will never work in high level competition, and that it's detrimental to your knees. I've only been training for about 7th months, so I don't really have a base to refute what's said. I just respond with "it's something a lot of my teammates work and I've had success with it thus far." What's the deal with this?

[Chris Matts]

So tonight I attended a BJJ seminar and the home instructor made a big point of having the seminar instructor mention that "rubber guard doesn't work", mostly so he could tell me in front of 30 or so people to prove it's not just him that thinks that. Then of course I mention that it's new and yet some have had success with it, when I named a few names they pretty much blew them off as did a few other black belts attending.

I just wanted to bitch about this here and say how much I want to see the system keep evolving so these fucks have to eat their words. I don't get why people are so fucking disrespectful and rude about it. Yes it's not the end all move but who said it was? It's just a tool and when it works why not use it. Why always the "rubber guard doesn't work, period" stance? Or am I just being stubborn because it seems to work for me at low levels and maybe these guys are partially right? Say it ain't so.

I'm very glad I have places to train around here but these gi only schools and their old ways piss me off sometimes. Sigh.

No, They are definitely wrong. Rubber Guard does work! Some strictly gi guy's are gi purist and will not accept anything into their system that has anything to do with no gi. Where they mess up with their logic is that Rubber guard works as good in the gi as no gi. The best way to open the eyes of close minded instructors like this is to roll with their students and let them see for themselves how rubber guard works against their system.

I have had the pleasure of rolling with gi only types who think no gi is ineffective, They don't sleep on no gi guy's anymore.

Really them saying rubber guard doesn't work is like a no gi guy saying de la riva doesn't work. The Truth,They both are different tools for different jobs, And they both work. Don't listen to close minded instructors. By them being close minded they are going to limit the potential of their own game, and yours as their student if they refuse to let you find what works and doesn't work for yourself, By dictating to you what works and what "doesn't".

[Cora Sek]

I've been following this topic for awhile now, noticing it come on once or twice a month. So now I want to share our experience with this issue as well. October will be our 1 year anniversary with 10thplanet system. I know kids BJJ is nowhere near high level jiu jitsu but I feel its still relevant to this topic. Only after 5 days of working on the RG, Cora was able to win a tournament with it. At first she was only known as the girl with a good triangle. So at every tournament all you hear coaches screaming was "watch out for her triangle". Needed to find a better way to set up the triangle I found the RG. To me there isn't a more effective way to set up a Triangle than coming by way of the RG. This is just my opinion so please take it easy on me... Fast forward a year to present, now I'm hearing coaches scream "watch out for her rubber guard!!!!". As a weapon, the RG is great. But what I find also with Cora's training is that once she understand getting submission from the RG, she is also understanding other techniques faster. RG has really shorten her learning curve big time. Luckily we have a very understanding coach....... which lead me to our present problem.... coaching.
Cora is being trained at the gym by her then blue belt coach (he got promoted to purple now). He trains her 5 days a week at the gym. I train her 5 days a week also at home 10thplanet stuff before she goes to the gym. But at the tournament, her head coach(black belt) is coaching her. There have been a few recent tournament that I truly believe she could have done ALOT better if I was coaching her, because I know what she is can do. But due to my respect for him, I step aside. There are some moments that I just can't take it anymore and I started to coach her which end up confusing her, having 2 people coaching. So recently I've been just the camera man. Maybe I don't have his experience, maybe I don't know jiu jitsu. But one thing I can say that I know is 10thplanet jiu jitsu, which Cora and I drill all the time together. So I think that I know her game more than anyone. At a recent tourney, Cora was doing one of our 10thplanet set up and we can hear her coach say "no not like that..don't do it like that", but Cora did the set up anyways and got the submission. He was pleasantly surprised.
So with all my reading on here, I do think that the guys who trains at a non-10thplanet gym has it bad. The tug of war between traditional JJ and 10thplanetJJ and not wanting to hurt anyone's feeling or ego is always there. Cora trains a lot with me at home and although she knows the traditional JJ, she tend to lean toward 10thplanet stuff more because that is what we drill at home. Its like her very own private lesson vs instructions at the gym toward 20 kids who are not high level like her. It make me feel bad also that she rarely use any of the stuff being taught at her gym at the tournament. Its now up to the point where I just want her to compete at tournament outside of town, because I don't want to step on her coach toe as he is a very nice guy who is just trying to do his job. So yeah..this is where we are at now.

[Craig Feldman]

The problem with 10th planet techniques are not the thechnique them selves but the problem is the individual focusing on the RG of truck etc...while their basics aren't solid yet. My instructor(former moon head) refused to show me any RG or 10thpjj stuff until I reached blue. Now that I have reached blue I feel I can actually execute 10pjj tech easier since he built my basics up so they are solid. This goes for any advanced techniques(DLR guard, xguard, berinbolo) wait to learn till your basi s are solid. The cool stuff will come don't rush anything or it wont be done correctly.

[Tom Carbone]

The problem with 10th planet techniques are not the thechnique them selves but the problem is the individual focusing on the RG of truck etc...while their basics aren't solid yet. My instructor(former moon head) refused to show me any RG or 10thpjj stuff until I reached blue. Now that I have reached blue I feel I can actually execute 10pjj tech easier since he built my basics up so they are solid. This goes for any advanced techniques(DLR guard, xguard, berinbolo) wait to learn till your basi s are solid. The cool stuff will come don't rush anything or it wont be done correctly.

I couldn't disagree more. Rubber guard was one of the first things i learned and I found it to be very beneficial as a new guy with no previous grappling skills. I only consider "advanced techniques" the positions that you rarely get in and don't have much of a chance to practice

[Seymour Green]

In my honest opinion rubber guard is ineffective for your average midget