Dark Rage- Pre
Isopure Zero Carb- Post
Dark rage is a killer product. I wouldn't run or try to do anything cardio wise or you'll probably die, use it only on lifting days where you're really trying to push yourself. They told me at the store when I used to buy it to only take half a scoop even though I weighed 235. Trust them when they say half a scoop is enough. The taste is awful but it's literally the best thing I've tried. I've used jack3d, 1MR, C4, GAT, and pretty much any other Pre supp you can take.