Baratoplata? Am I late?

[ScottRay]

I was able to switch back and forth fairly easily, He almost does it for you, as the angle for them is opposite. That farside underhook is very important to keeping the shoulder lock angle on certain body types. Tiny guys can out pommel you there and the big guys pressure, in either of which kinda hand you the duda. If they angle away and "unstack" their shoulder from on top of their own wrist (duda angle) then untraingle the legs and angle back under the for shoulder lock. Cool thing is i dont know if the guard has got passed once trying this stuff. The angle for him to pass is the angle needed for the sub. You would hafta pass over the foot-on-hip side I guess. It seemed easier to get than the duda, but im no expert, especially on the duda. But the deep hook arm doesnt need to be in his elbow very deep to do the shoulder lock. Again, I wanna analyze it much more before I got off saying its wonderful and reliable.

[Brent Smith]

Looks like you're on the right track. Have you hit it in a free roll or repping technique?

[sean applegate]

When you hit your duda, you can triangle to the body side and place your top foot on his hip. This gives you the crush as well as the shoulder lock. It works a lot like muddy waters in that they can't correct the angle because of your foot on the hip.

[ScottRay]

When you hit your duda, you can triangle to the body side and place your top foot on his hip. This gives you the crush as well as the shoulder lock. It works a lot like muddy waters in that they can't correct the angle because of your foot on the hip.

You must be a master of the position if you can get both with the same angle. I find it impossible to get the shoulder lock when I triangle the legs, even repping. I feel like I must angle up under him, its what controls the posture and torques the shoulder.
Muddy waters has a foot on the hip? Am I missing something?

[Brent Smith]

I believe he means like in Muddy Water you're compromising their base to where defending is much more difficult. The stiff arm from the Muddy Waters is the same as the foot on the hip for Barataplata.

When you hit your duda, you can triangle to the body side and place your top foot on his hip. This gives you the crush as well as the shoulder lock. It works a lot like muddy waters in that they can't correct the angle because of your foot on the hip.

I just cant picture being able to rotate that way to get the shoulder lock. Like the angle seems off. If you start to turn the other way, I could see the drowning Duda (If you have it locked in from bottom) or just finishing the Duda from mount. I'll have to try it out tomorrow.

[sean applegate]

I believe he means like in Muddy Water you're compromising their base to where defending is much more difficult. The stiff arm from the Muddy Waters is the same as the foot on the hip for Barataplata.



I just cant picture being able to rotate that way to get the shoulder lock. Like the angle seems off. If you start to turn the other way, I could see the drowning Duda (If you have it locked in from bottom) or just finishing the Duda from mount. I'll have to try it out tomorrow.

Thanks for clearing that up Brent. That's what I meant. The foot kills his escape angle.

[ScottRay]

Ah yes. Ok cool I as like "what! I've been screwing up muddy waters this whole time!" Lol

[Isaac Atley]

so i havnt been able to try this out yet, but im just wondering if it matters which arm you use to slice. makes me think about armbars and jiu claw that if you get the outside arm to slice you could use to other arm to hook or control etc.as far as i can tell from the video, if you used the other arm then you could easily go from mounted armbar, spider web etc and jsut lean forward and move your arm to his other elbow and sit on his arm. the other arm is wrapped around the leg or something so he cant bridge as easily.

as i said, havnt tried it, dunno if it would help or hinder. ill try it asap and see what happens.

[DavidBaut]

Duda!!

[brent_littell]

Tussa, the uke in the instructional, and I rolled this weekend. He used it when the guy defends the armbar. Worked great