Points or subs ??

[Mike Nall]

People will say these things either way. A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.

The guy with the best jiu jitsu doesn't always win. So catching a leg lock after you got dominated by points means just as much as any win. Often times, especially at the lower levels, you see specialists. Guys with one really good position or submission. They often times dominate at tournaments because, for example, they have a purple belt level guard game and are still blue. These guys are often times a lot less skilled over all, but if you walk in there you're done.

To say just because you won a match at a tournament makes you a better player is silly. It just means you had the right answer that day.

This doesn't mean the better player never wins.

I don't disagree. i was never trying to say that losing to someone in a competition means you're worse than they are. I don't believe that at all.

[Tori Applegate]

If you lose on points or advantage it's not black and white like a sub. Submissions are our touchdowns in my opinion. Who's to say that if there wasn't another minute you wouldn't have subbed the other guy.If you get swept and mounted and dude takes your back and you get the ankle lock because he crosses his feet I think the guy with the right answers in the moment won, and dude on the back made a mental mistake.. Isn't that where the whole it's not losing it's learning mentality comes from ??

I agree with this. It's a game of chess. Maybe you're not a fan of ankle locks and think they're a BS sub, I personally hate wrist locks..they're sneaky..lol. But a sub is a sub and that day at that time, he got you and he won.

[bobby rivers]

Sweep, pass, trap, defend, control, submit. No particular order. Everything else is collateral.

[sean applegate]

I understand that the better player doesnt always win, you can get crushed and then come back and get a sub and be proud of that

But I dont think all wins are the same. I want Eddie to win his rematch in minute 1 not minute 19.

If this was golf for example I dont want to be losing and then you hit a sand trap and I win I want to win because I scored 9 holes in one. Is getting 9 holes in one realistic? No. Is my goal of destroying everyone in tournaments realistic? No.

But thats just it, its a goal I set it high because if I achive even 1/9th of my goal it means I got a hole in one.

I agree with a lot of what you said lol. I only meant the very first part of my post for you. Sorry my friend.

[Ryan Brick]

I agree with a lot of what you said lol. I only meant the very first part of my post for you. Sorry my friend.

its ok lol I wanted to make a golf reference anyway :P