nogi...no evidence so far!

[Serge Bunimovich]

I agree 100%, ScottRay. boxing and kickboxing are close sports, but if you wanna compete in kickboxing and you only train boxing, u most likely gonna get smashed. same for gi and no gi

[Mike Nall]

I agree 100%, ScottRay. boxing and kickboxing are close sports, but if you wanna compete in kickboxing and you only train boxing, u most likely gonna get smashed. same for gi and no gi

Not exactly the same analogy. Look, if you're doing a no gi comp you need to train no gi. But in kickboxing if you train boxing you obviously aren't training kicks. There is legitimately nothing that can be done in no gi that can't be done in the gi, except heel hooks, but even then that's an issue of the rules. You physically can do them. I'm a no-gi guy, I ain't hating. But jiu jitsu is jiu jitsu. Some things change between gi and no gi for sure, but to compare the difference to boxing and Muay Thai is crazy. If I do no-gi for a while and go to the gi it's difficult. If I do gi for a while and then do no-gi I usually transition well. Maybe this is because I started no-gi, who knows. i love both and will always do both.

It's much harder to go from a no-gi background to the gi. I did it, and it was hard as shit. You see people shedding the gi a month before a no gi comp and then killing it. Modern jiu jitsu has evolved to the point where a ton of stuff carries over from gi to nogi and vice versa, and the days of people not knowing how to use the seatbelt/harness for example in no gi for example as Eddie explained in the book Mastering The Twister are long gone. It's 2013 now.

Most competitors train both, and don't have to deal with this false dichotomy of having to choose one or the other. It's a stupid debate that doesn't take place anywhere except online. The people at good gyms train both, the best grapplers train both. If you're a casual hobbyist you should do what you enjoy. If you want to be a competitor you should train as much as you can in whatever outfit or non outfit you can.

Point blank period.

[Gray]

I went from nogi to give and won my division three months later.. The transition wasn't that hard

[Mike Nall]

I went from nogi to give and won my division three months later.. The transition wasn't that hard

It was hard for me. Hardest part was the collar chokes and spider guard. I just had no idea how to defend them or where they were coming from. x chokes, cross chokes, bow and arrows, baseball chokes, brabo chokes, ezkekiel chokes. I didn't know any of them. And no clue on how to break the feet off my elbows.

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

and i think a part of this discussion not talked abut yet is reps put in, because a lot of guys will put in reps on a move say for this case an armbar from mount, and they'll do it NOGI and they do it in the GI and of course they get better because they're putting more reps in but they attribute it to training in the GI

[Liquidrob]

Rafa's gi game is very gi based, not like how Marcelo trains to work for both

Rafa plays gi and no gi differently and even says that

[sean applegate]

I've yet to see a reason for an anti gi argument when talking about just jiu jitsu. The guys who are the best in gi are also the best in nogi. Even young gi guys like Ciao, Keenan and the Mendes brothers dominate both.just like the legends did like Speedy and Jon Jac did in the early days. It looks to me if you're great in a gi you're great out of it too. In my opinion the 10p4life kids aren't great because they avoid a gi. You're great because of your passion and innovation!

Is this a troll thread? Lol. I don't get why you would post this. You been drinking a little too much of the kool aid?

Either way. There are some real benefits to training nogi only for nogi competition. It's real. You want guys that have been training for less than 10 years to smash guys training for sometimes double that? 10p was the first direct nogi Jiu Jitsu system. We're only 10 years old. It doesn't really make much sense to compare our guys to the guys at the top who train gi and have been training for way longer. How about the guys that started out in gi but wanted to compete nogi, and dropped the gi? They never seem to come up in these arguments. How about vinny magalhaes? He openly admits that he doesn't ever train in the gi. Is he not the best in the world? Last I checked he was current adcc champ.

[Aaron C]

You should train no-gi, it makes your gi game tighter.

[Eddie Bravo]

Rafa's gi game is very gi based, not like how Marcelo trains to work for both

Rafa plays gi and no gi differently and even says that

Dlr, spiral and 50/50 translate gi to nogi very well. Isn't that what Rafa plays gi & nogi? That's what I thought he plays, I could be
wrong tho, if I am, shame on me for assuming his gi game was like his nogi game, my bad.

Lister and Vinny have done way more damage nogi than gi as far as gold medals go at the black belt level, no?

[Sam Sales]

for me its all about timing. We really need to let another decade or so pass to give the 10p kids that are like 5 years old now a chance to grow up exclusively training with the system. See where they land at as black belts in ADCC etc.

IMO the biggest problem 10th planet has atm is I have noticed with many of the 10p academies, they don't train often enough. For example, very few have 2 or more nogi classes available per day 6 days per week. The best academies have 4+ classes per day available to their students. You need that though to compete at the very highest levels, but that is a massive commitment as an instructor, so it may be hard to leave full time employment with secure and steady pay.

Like I say though its just a time thing. 10p is growing all the time. I have no doubt in 10 years there will be 10p guys winning or at least podium finishes in every weight class in adcc etc.