douche moves

[Matt Wallace]

Not using douche moves is the same as not using pure strength: if you can win by using better strategy, leverage, reactions, etc then you are the better grappler, period. Adding those other things in for self defense is fine or if it's agreed upon up front but my position is that if you use them, be prepared for a less friendly roll from me, as well

[Jonathan Wylie]

I can't believe this thread made it to page 6 and nobody mentioned the doucheist move of all putting your foot on somebodies face to break there grip and finish the armbar.

[Kyle Spalla]

Scissor sweep takedown while reaping the back of the knee to a cranking a full blast heel hook= super douche I call it the Ryu Chonan treatment.

[Scott R]

Scissor sweep takedown while reaping the back of the knee to a cranking a full blast heel hook= super douche I call it the Ryu Chonan treatment.

This is one of the sweetest douche combos ever!!!!!

[Scott R]

All legal when applied with control in my academy. The only restriction I have is twisting leglocks, which are reserved for blues and up.

You are right when applied with control they are just fine and need to be learned. I should say I feel like a d-bag when I smash my friends face or twist and compress their spine (not just a neck crank)just to win or get a pass. It really depends if you're training for self deference, mma or sport jiu jitsu. With that said I trained in a gym for a few years where these subs where the norm and at a gym where it would not fly at all so I think it matters what gym your at and how your training partners and teachers feel if a move is cool or not.

[Scott R]

Not sure about face lock, but I've heard cranium crunch/crown crush in catch in regards to moves that just put insane pressure on the head (example; from top, getting their head between your calf and thigh and sitting on it). It's painful as all get out. Personally, I don't consider any submission a douche move as long as the intention is not to injure someone, but I see where it could be considered that.

Crown crush as i know it-
1.From half guard keep pressure on him so he cant attain full full guard.
2.Grip his head with both hands.
3.Place the top of your head underneath his jaw and drive your body through his jaw while twisting his head.
Oldie but a goody! This works and this sucks Just make sure you have good pressure and solid base before going for it. I dont know too many people that can take this when done right but their are some tuff dudes out their!

Face lock from the back as I know it-
1.If you can not get the R.N.C bring your arm across their face ether across their mouth,nose or eye sockets.
2.With a reverse lever grip squeeze your elbows and arch your back through them.
3.Dont let them push your arms off their head.
This is also a oldie but dam if you get it!!!

[Alpha Primate]

I’m used to grappling with the dutty catch-wrestlers of Manchester, so things like knuckles/feet in the throat and forehead grinding doesn’t seem too bad compared to positions like knee on face.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

I can't believe this thread made it to page 6 and nobody mentioned the doucheist move of all putting your foot on somebodies face to break there grip and finish the armbar.

Why because of the idea that people dont like feet put on their face? It doesnt seem risky as far as injury and it is very effective.

Not using douche moves is the same as not using pure strength: if you can win by using better strategy, leverage, reactions, etc then you are the better grappler, period. Adding those other things in for self defense is fine or if it's agreed upon up front but my position is that if you use them, be prepared for a less friendly roll from me, as well

Yep and if you can win using only your pinky fingers then you're an even better grappler. For the record no one has ever won a roll with pure strength, we all have different bodies and different games

Scissor sweep takedown while reaping the back of the knee to a cranking a full blast heel hook= super douche I call it the Ryu Chonan treatment.

Im gonna start using that.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Why because of the idea that people dont like feet put on their face? It doesnt seem risky as far as injury and it is very effective.

No...because the name of the technique is "the douchbag"

[Aaron Gustaveson]

I can't believe this thread made it to page 6 and nobody mentioned the doucheist move of all putting your foot on somebodies face to break there grip and finish the armbar.

Why because of the idea that people dont like feet put on their face? It doesnt seem risky as far as injury and it is very effective.

No...because the name of the technique is "the douchbag"

agonydefeat.jpg

im a broken man.