douche moves

[Isaac Atley]

is a fist choke from side mount a douche move to use?

what moves do you not like to use because of their doucheyness?

[Mike May]

The shin choke from standing guard pass is probably the only d bag move I know, and I would not use it.

[ScottRay]

Be careful with fist choke and gag reflex and their variations. 10th Planet nearly lost a highly valued and loved Nibiru warrior brown belt to a ruptured jugular vein that resulted from one of those.

[AKRhino]

Grinding your forehead into someone's face is a douche move imho. Had a guy do that and it was not super appreciative, to say the least. It's one thing if you're trying to move the guys head to one side or something, but he kept doing it.

[Tom Carbone]

I dont do it, but IMO, if you tap from it then you should learn to defend it. If it just hurts, you learn to toughen up.

[Jason Hyatt]

I feel like it has as much to do with intent as the technique. I don't like pure pain compliance moves during a friendly roll. If it's competition and you wanna try out your pain moves against someone else's adrenaline, be my guest. But in the gym I feel like inflicting pain just to get a tap on your teammate is a dick move.

Some techniques are just a little dickish by their nature but there's nothing wrong with a good, hard crossface; crushing top pressure; or a killer body triangle. I don't get mad when somebody crushes the air out of my chest (Tom...) during a roll. Yeah it sucks, but that's just good technique on their part.

Be careful with fist choke and gag reflex and their variations. 10th Planet nearly lost a highly valued and loved Nibiru warrior brown belt to a ruptured jugular vein that resulted from one of those.

I hadn't heard that. Do you mind sharing what happened?

[Brian Debes]

I feel like it has as much to do with intent as the technique. I don't like pure pain compliance moves during a friendly roll. If it's competition and you wanna try out your pain moves against someone else's adrenaline, be my guest. But in the gym I feel like inflicting pain just to get a tap on your teammate is a dick move.

Some techniques are just a little dickish by their nature but there's nothing wrong with a good, hard crossface; crushing top pressure; or a killer body triangle. I don't get mad when somebody crushes the air out of my chest (Tom...) during a roll. Yeah it sucks, but that's just good technique on their part.



I hadn't heard that. Do you mind sharing what happened?

Agree with you on not doing pure pain stuff in class... your setting yourself up to be surprised by a failure in competition. (if the move is a PURE pain move)


As far as what Scott said, that's true as far as I know (wasn't there at HQ when it happened but heard about it from more than one credible source), just don't want to call anyone out by name on the forums. It might have been talked about on here before and if someone else wants to share, they can.

[ScottRay]

I really don't know enough details to elaborate any further. (Also kinda feel like its not my place to). I assume there is a couple guys around here that were there in person?

[Aaron Gustaveson]

of course it matters who you're rolling with but it sounds like you guys are on the sport jiujitsu side of this more than the wrestling/grappling side. Other than what ScottRay said i dont agree with any of you (granted im not as experienced as some).

You shouldn't get caught with the shin choke from standing guard pass nor should you apply it to the point of being dangerous.

I think "pain moves" sound be part of your techniques so they should be practiced whenever yo have the right partner. If you can distract your opnts mind from what they should be focused on with a bit of discomfort that is built into your game then that's a good thing.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Grinding your forehead into someone's face is a douche move imho. Had a guy do that and it was not super appreciative, to say the least. It's one thing if you're trying to move the guys head to one side or something, but he kept doing it.

I only care if they have zits or sweat gets on my lips, otherwise fuckin' post up, im not getting any prettier anyhow.