Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo Talk Rickson Gracie and Kron Gracie - stuartcooperfilms

[Justin W.]

Kron is one my favorite competitors to watch because he's always pressing the action and looking for subs but does anyone feel like this a step backwards for modern jiu jitsu? Kron is purely old school basics and just won at the highest level. Now a bunch of old school black belts are coming out harder and claiming you don't need an open guard, berimbolo's are ruining BJJ, helio gracie is the way etc...

[bobby rivers]

Kron is one my favorite competitors to watch because he's always pressing the action and looking for subs but does anyone feel like this a step backwards for modern jiu jitsu? Kron is purely old school basics and just won at the highest level. Now a bunch of old school black belts are coming out harder and claiming you don't need an open guard, berimbolo's are ruining BJJ, helio gracie is the way etc...

No.

[Chris Herzog]

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I'll all over a Bigfoot Rashguard!!! Step in up and contact Phalanx, I'll be the first one to order!

[Chris Herzog]

No.

I'm with Bobby, I don't think its a step backwards at all. Without mastery of the basics all the those other things become less functional. Theres is beauty in the basics that many miss, Kron exemplifies that beauty.

[Justin W.]

I'm with Bobby, I don't think its a step backwards at all. Without mastery of the basics all the those other things become less functional. Theres is beauty in the basics that many miss, Kron exemplifies that beauty.

I agree, basics are essential and the foundation of the advanced moves. However my point was more about how those old school instructors that don't even know what a de la riva is, are even less likely to become any more open minded to modern moves like berimbolos and even rubber guard because of this win by Kron.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

I'll all over a Bigfoot Rashguard!!! Step in up and contact Phalanx, I'll be the first one to order!

yeti for white belts.

I agree, basics are essential and the foundation of the advanced moves. However my point was more about how those old school instructors that don't even know what a de la riva is, are even less likely to become any more open minded to modern moves like berimbolos and even rubber guard because of this win by Kron.

I wouldn't call it a step backwards, maybe some guys will use it rationalize not incorporating, what are perceived as (or are), more modern technique/styles. That's probably true but those guys dont need justification anyway. That would be more of a lack of progress than a regression imo.

It may also get some people to value the more traditional style (basics) as part of their complete BJJ breakfast.

[bobby rivers]

Its all just grappling. The only two categories are effective and not effective. Period.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

I like what your saying but you can tell a difference in the two "styles" we're discussing here, right?

What would be an example of "not effective", tickling?

[Justin W.]

yeti for white belts.



I wouldn't call it a step backwards, maybe some guys will use it rationalize not incorporating, what are perceived as (or are), more modern technique/styles. That's probably true but those guys dont need justification anyway. That would be more of a lack of progress than a regression imo.

It may also get some people to value the more traditional style (basics) as part of their complete BJJ breakfast.

good points all around. thanks.

[bobby rivers]

Yes. Tickling would be filed under noneffective.