(Video) The Week in Roc Episode 21: The Quarter Ghost to Triangle

[Chris Herzog]

I think Sean has an actual webpage with them all.

[Brandon Mccaghren]

Herzog, you're such an excellent instructor.

[Eric Norsen]

Herzog, you're such an excellent instructor.

love it, thanks Coach!

[sergiojf1]

thanks chris

[Joseph Hachey]

Cool looking triangle, but terribly low-percentage.

[Sean Marshall]

Any chance we can get a thread with all the TWIR stickied?

Actually already stickied in MTS techniques thread. Click on Zogipedia

[Brandon Woolsey]

Cool looking triangle, but terribly low-percentage.

You need an understanding of how Coach Herzog does techniques. Watch the video and the control that he maintains. The devil is in the details, Coach doesn't show much "low-percentage" techniques if any. If you are trying to do it and can't then you are prolly missing a key detail, and if you have not tried it you have no validation in your theory.

[Joseph Hachey]

You need an understanding of how Coach Herzog does techniques. Watch the video and the control that he maintains. The devil is in the details, Coach doesn't show much "low-percentage" techniques if any. If you are trying to do it and can't then you are prolly missing a key detail, and if you have not tried it you have no validation in your theory.

I'm sure Zog himself would tell you it's not high percentage. What's stoping someone from "answering the phone" with their free hand while Zog is spinning? I mean, you might be able to catch someone off guard with it, but you won't catch them twice!

[Scott Yockel]

I'm sure Zog himself would tell you it's not high percentage. What's stoping someone from "answering the phone" with their free hand while Zog is spinning? I mean, you might be able to catch someone off guard with it, but you won't catch them twice!

I think your missing the point of the attack. the goal is to escape side control and threatin with the triangle. if you get the triangle great, if they defend it your still out of side control bottom. Finishing percentage depends on the person doing the escape/triangle. I always rep a new tech before I comment on it, to me I dont really know if its gonna for me until I rep it out a bunch. How can I say if its low or high percentage without ever trying it?

[Chris Herzog]

I'm sure Zog himself would tell you it's not high percentage. What's stoping someone from "answering the phone" with their free hand while Zog is spinning? I mean, you might be able to catch someone off guard with it, but you won't catch them twice!

Your comment alone tells me you have never done the technique, more importantly with success. So I'm under absolutely no obligation to even address your comment. However I do enjoy putting people in their place when they open their mouth and speak on something in which they don't understand.

It is not low percentage and here is why.

1) The Ghost series itself is super high percentage. I have yet to date have anyone able to hold me down in a traditional side control that I could not Ghost out of.

2)There is an entire series of techniques and transitions(taking the back, m'arce, D'arce, sprawl control, butterfly guard and open guard) that build off the counters they will try during the escape itself, developing those alone will increase your percentages of finishing the triangle, because they have to worry about those as well.

3)Lets just talk about the triangle alone and why I know you have never done it LIVE. One word, "Pressure". If there is none, I don't Ghost out. The name the Ghost comes from disappearing out from underneath them (I had a student once say it felt like I vanished from underneath them, hence the the name was born). So back to pressure, once I Ghost out they either fall flat on their face or they have to base out. Either is fine with me, most people that have grappled longer than a few months will base. If they do by chance "answer the phone" (which only solves one problem), I can stuff triangle, pull guard, still hit a m'arce,etc. Also to point out, home aloning vs a triangle is a very low pertange defense against triangle, and very unlikely to work against a really good triangle, especially if they have killer leg curls. However the main point, they never passed my Quarter Guard.

Now be quiet when the grown ups are talking.