My Japanese necktie be so cranky

[Tim Bruhn]

Crew, any advice on my my Jap Necktie always ends up getting a tap from it being uncomfortable and cranky as opposed to choking people with it? Can't remember who I saw on these forums put someone to sleep with it in competition so I know that's the goal and it's legit.

Am putting it on super slow and playing with different angles once I lock it up but no ones close to snoozing from it and I hate being one those guys getting taps from just 'uncomfortable feeling shit'

Any common little tweeks people make to 'choke' it up. Have watch Zog's vid over and over but can't see anything I'm missing.

Cheers.

[Tori Applegate]

It can be more of a neck crank. The main points to focus on are having a tight vice grip, hooking their leg at the heel, then falling in front of them and pushing your hips forward. Have you examined your vice grip? Maybe there's something that's small there that needs tweeking.

[Danny Arroyo]

http://www.10thplanetjj.com/techniques/purple-to-black/
is the MTS where Eddie explains "it's such a powerful neck crank dudes will probably tap before you get to the choking part."

[Greg W]

I feel it is just a matter of centimeters, if that choking arms bone gets the artery or not. I went thru the same thing a few months back, I don't like neck cranks, so I made the effort to resist puttin' muscle into it. If I do everything correct I get the tap from the choke with no muscle or just hold the position and tweak that choking arm into place. Since it is just training, I just give it up and try again if it is not correct. I can usually keep top position with the overhook and just try again. Just crankin' the neck for the sake of the tap teaches me nothing about the choke! Also, sometimes it can be the legs. Seems WAY better if I can get right behind his heel, intsead of just behind his knee.

[Tim Bruhn]

Same, I hate crank taps that's why I'm trying to get it sorted. Has to be the vice grip.

[Eddie Bravo]

The jap is 2 neck cranks and a choke in one. A crank from the vice grip and crank from your stomach smashing their head with a twist.

The twister is a neck crank so you shouldn't be too anti-crank :-)

[Matt Grubb]

I could be completely wrong, as my Jap has always been a crank, but the blood choke would come from the forearm against one artery, and squeezing elbows together? it would be just hitting the right position... that crank comes on so quick though, i'd be happy taking it? it's a beautiful move, not like your jsut grapping and twisting someones head beast mode style...

[Kurzy]

Your JNT gets the tap. So where is the problem?

[Tim Bruhn]

Interesting. Why am I so 'anti-crank?' Don't actually know after the points made above. Suppose after I saw the whoever it was snooze the guy in the comp with it, I always thought when it's right they get choked, when it's wrong it's cranky.

Now reconsidering my thought process and issues. Supposed it's based on not wanting to be thought of as 'one of those guys' doing shit that hurts, but when the goal is to submit someone, what's my issue.

Got more voices in my head than Eminem

[Ryan Brick]

If you reach to far through the point on the neck that you are applying pressure to will shift off of their artery and onto the spine or side of the neck.

People will always say its a crank, but to me a crank is on the spine. Sometimes youll have the choke but put to much pressure and people will cry crank but would go out unconscious anyways