invisible meat collar!! I posted a vid a while back of one of my guys, who likes meat hook to stocks, but I shut him down, like Scott said. He then started crossing his feet, like the invisible collar. This puts my free arm toward center line and feels like he is going armbar, like muddy waters from meat hook, I pull my arm up to defend and he just keeps it pushing until my arm is up over my head, and in goes his foot. If he is tight, I cannot defend it yet, and I know it is coming. I took the video of my youtube, but still have in on my computer I think. Maybe if I have time this weekend I'll upload it and PM you the link. How flexible are you??