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    Quote Originally Posted by sean applegate View Post
    some of the videos are ok, some are not. there will be a new respect for it. new defenses will start popping up. isn't that why we are all with 10th planet though? for the evolution of the art?
    Exactly Sean, just cracks me up when guys post 5 year old videos that would have "shut down" Eddie's half guard. They don't understand the evolution. I think they assume all lockdowns are equal and/or they haven't felt a real lockdown. In most of the videos the guy on bottom just lays flat on his back without using his lockdown to control them and more often then not they aren't even doing the lockdown correctly.

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    Triple H makes it work:

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    I remember during a seminar at 10th Planet Burbank, Jeff Glover demonstrated that very same 'Indian Death Lock', explaining why he wasn't too fond of the lockdown. I'm pretty sure he's a believer by now.

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    As long as your clinching an squeezing the torso while in lock down (like your supposed to) the indian death lock is really not a concern.

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    I'm just glad people actually know what the lockdown is about now. I remember seeing all the old videos showing a counter and it was always some silly shit. Just unhook the foot and pull your leg out, lockdown sucks lol. Now people realize that its way more dynamic than just clinching up someones leg and holding them. I agree, it's all for the better for us.

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    Let's just hope maybe...Just maybe MMA fighters will start learning some lockdown game & show the pure wrestlers (Whips Up) what's up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Vazquez View Post
    Let's just hope maybe...Just maybe MMA fighters will start learning some lockdown game & show the pure wrestlers (Whips Up) what's up.
    Dude, mma would be so much better if jiu jitsu guys would sweep more. STOP TRYING TO STAND UP! SWEEP, GROUND AND POUND, AND HUNT FOR SUBS FROM MOUNT

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    If you allow someone whose good as hell and their "A" game is lockdown to establish it, good luck. I concede electric chair sweeps to salvage my knees. Having said that, I don't just go around giving someone the lockdown for free. You gonna have to earn it and then some. Not allowing them to get to lockdown and being aware of the ways people obtain it is the ultimate preventative measure....or so I think at this time, I do reserve the right to change my opinion. Bring on the lockdown counters though, everyone I train with has had to address it for years now so nothing will change for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean applegate View Post
    some of the videos are ok, some are not. there will be a new respect for it. new defenses will start popping up. isn't that why we are all with 10th planet though? for the evolution of the art?
    That's true, but its still interesting to see what they come up with, and how they got there.
    Its a bit of an inside look at how their minds work.
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    Is there a 10PL standard method for dealing with/breaking the lockdown?

    I can't recall any detailed instruction on MTS.

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