Creonte

[JR Redfox]

i train at a gracie barra here in springfield,il my professor or any of the students dont look at me as a creonte. I started at a 10th planet school and continue to go to alton when ever i get the chance to drive the 200 miles round trip, but my professor loves that i bring a different game of jiu jitsu to the table, just like i told bj the other day both gracie barra and 10th planet come from 2 of the same same people grand master carlos and master carlos jr. so i think if anybody in gracie barra calls you a creonte they are fucking ignorent and need to learn the lineage of jiu jitsu Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo.I walk in everyday to class with either a 10th planet shirt or shorts on i wear my 10p rash guards under my kimono my professor doesnt care Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo

[David Rosado]

i train at a gracie barra here in springfield,il my professor or any of the students dont look at me as a creonte. I started at a 10th planet school and continue to go to alton when ever i get the chance to drive the 200 miles round trip, but my professor loves that i bring a different game of jiu jitsu to the table, just like i told bj the other day both gracie barra and 10th planet come from 2 of the same same people grand master carlos and master carlos jr. so i think if anybody in gracie barra calls you a creonte they are fucking ignorent and need to learn the lineage of jiu jitsu Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo.I walk in everyday to class with either a 10th planet shirt or shorts on i wear my 10p rash guards under my kimono my professor doesnt care Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo

plus rep brother. Very well put.

[David Rosado]

Show up to his class to learn his techniques. When he asks you to drill his techniques during class time, drill his techniques. If in during a free rolling or open mat type scenario, if you doing whatever techniques you want (barring stuff like reaping, neck cranks, y' know all the things that are "against the rules" in the gi) and he just gives you giref, then keep on rolling. However, if it creates more drama than that and he out and out forbids it, then you have a crossroads: play by his rules, or leave his school. If it comes to it, if he doesn't allow any 10P techs in his school, you may have to find another school, which if you don't have alot of options would really suck.

Hope everything works out for you dude.

I've seen this ultimatum thrown around this forum a lot. And it's partially true, but I also think it's a bit much. Good schools dont' grow on trees. Some mat time is better than no mat time. Reps in basic BJJ is better than zero reps in 10th planet. Granted I haven't visited every school in the world. But my last head instructor, and my current head instructor, are straight from Brazil, hardcore traditional guys. We have a picture of Helio on the wall at my current school. Yet I have had zero issues when I use 10th planet material.

Why? I believe my experiences have been good due to plain and simple politeness and humility. Your house. Your rules. I'll have wide open heel hooks, calf crushes, bicep slicers. And I'll simply ask during the roll, are heel hooks ok? Some don't care. They want the challenge of escaping. Some will just smile and politely ask that we play IBJJF rules. Don't just dive on every sub and hope for the best. Their house, their rules. During rolls, it's not about the tap. It's about learning. And I always use what I learned in class that day to show that I AM there to learn, not just to do my own 10th planet thing.

You're not competing. You're rolling. And rolling, in my humble opinion, is an extension of learning directly from the instructor. It's the laboratory. It's the experiment room. It's not to go out and tap everyone. It's to try out what you know, what you've learned, and toy with what you think you know. So if someone doesn't wanna play calf crushes and heel hooks, that's cool. No twisters? Fine. I'm not mad that I couldn't get a tap when I had an opening. I'm just happy I'm learning. Know what I mean? Do I miss reaping the knee? Of COURSE!!!! Hahah. But I'm already decent at that. I catch knee knots nearly whenever I feel like it. But my knee slice sucks..my basic armbar sucks...my guard recovery sucks... so it's more of a chance to work on other material instead of only my A game. Right?

In my experience, as long as you are eagerly learning and implementing the game they're teaching you, they really won't have a problem with you using 10th planet material at your own leisure. IMO, the key is simply showing passion for BJJ as a whole. You show that you're hungry to learn, and they'll be hungry to teach. You be polite and respectful to your partners, and they'll be more open to exchange ideas and even rep 10th planet moves with you.

I've been spoiled by 10th planet Rochester. I thought gyms like this grew on trees. I thought moving to a big city, it would be easy to find a replacement. As much as I love my new school, nothing is like 10th Planet Roc. And I had to accept that. My point is this: don't just leave a school because they don't let you do 10th planet material from day one. Earn your stripes. Play their rules. Show that you're there to learn. Show that you're a part of the team, not just there to do your own thing. At that point, they'll be ok with you branching out and trying your own thing. And I give this advice because I took a year off because I wasn't happy with my last school. And I regret that time off a lot. Like A LOTTTTTTTTT. Don't just leave a school.

Any mat time is better than no mat time. It may not be ideal. But it's still better than losing your muscle memory and instincts. Play by their rules until they're comfortable letting you play by your own. Humility will take you a long way. A studious spirit will give you the green light with a most instructors.

[Sergio Lozoya]

By no means am I fluent in the 10th p techniques, but the few basic things I do know (lockdown, elec sweep) are okay at my school. They do instruct is within the IBJJF rules, but when its no-gi, its no-gi rules. I see guys pulling heel hooks, knee bars etc. The basic rubber guard path to armbar was taught at an all levels class. It doesn't always happen but I would like to say that my training environment is open minded and many styles are encouraged.

[JR Redfox]

By no means am I fluent in the 10th p techniques, but the few basic things I do know (lockdown, elec sweep) are okay at my school. They do instruct is within the IBJJF rules, but when its no-gi, its no-gi rules. I see guys pulling heel hooks, knee bars etc. The basic rubber guard path to armbar was taught at an all levels class. It doesn't always happen but I would like to say that my training environment is open minded and many styles are encouraged.

thats the same at the gb im at infact my professor asked me to teach some 10p tech at nogi

[Toppy]

i train at a gracie barra here in springfield,il my professor or any of the students dont look at me as a creonte. I started at a 10th planet school and continue to go to alton when ever i get the chance to drive the 200 miles round trip, but my professor loves that i bring a different game of jiu jitsu to the table, just like i told bj the other day both gracie barra and 10th planet come from 2 of the same same people grand master carlos and master carlos jr. so i think if anybody in gracie barra calls you a creonte they are fucking ignorent and need to learn the lineage of jiu jitsu Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo.I walk in everyday to class with either a 10th planet shirt or shorts on i wear my 10p rash guards under my kimono my professor doesnt care Grand master carlos, master carlos jr, JJ machado, eddie bravo

Awesome, that was my next question regarding rash guards so thank you brother

[Toppy]

I've seen this ultimatum thrown around this forum a lot. And it's partially true, but I also think it's a bit much. Good schools dont' grow on trees. Some mat time is better than no mat time. Reps in basic BJJ is better than zero reps in 10th planet. Granted I haven't visited every school in the world. But my last head instructor, and my current head instructor, are straight from Brazil, hardcore traditional guys. We have a picture of Helio on the wall at my current school. Yet I have had zero issues when I use 10th planet material.

Why? I believe my experiences have been good due to plain and simple politeness and humility. Your house. Your rules. I'll have wide open heel hooks, calf crushes, bicep slicers. And I'll simply ask during the roll, are heel hooks ok? Some don't care. They want the challenge of escaping. Some will just smile and politely ask that we play IBJJF rules. Don't just dive on every sub and hope for the best. Their house, their rules. During rolls, it's not about the tap. It's about learning. And I always use what I learned in class that day to show that I AM there to learn, not just to do my own 10th planet thing.

You're not competing. You're rolling. And rolling, in my humble opinion, is an extension of learning directly from the instructor. It's the laboratory. It's the experiment room. It's not to go out and tap everyone. It's to try out what you know, what you've learned, and toy with what you think you know. So if someone doesn't wanna play calf crushes and heel hooks, that's cool. No twisters? Fine. I'm not mad that I couldn't get a tap when I had an opening. I'm just happy I'm learning. Know what I mean? Do I miss reaping the knee? Of COURSE!!!! Hahah. But I'm already decent at that. I catch knee knots nearly whenever I feel like it. But my knee slice sucks..my basic armbar sucks...my guard recovery sucks... so it's more of a chance to work on other material instead of only my A game. Right?

In my experience, as long as you are eagerly learning and implementing the game they're teaching you, they really won't have a problem with you using 10th planet material at your own leisure. IMO, the key is simply showing passion for BJJ as a whole. You show that you're hungry to learn, and they'll be hungry to teach. You be polite and respectful to your partners, and they'll be more open to exchange ideas and even rep 10th planet moves with you.

I've been spoiled by 10th planet Rochester. I thought gyms like this grew on trees. I thought moving to a big city, it would be easy to find a replacement. As much as I love my new school, nothing is like 10th Planet Roc. And I had to accept that. My point is this: don't just leave a school because they don't let you do 10th planet material from day one. Earn your stripes. Play their rules. Show that you're there to learn. Show that you're a part of the team, not just there to do your own thing. At that point, they'll be ok with you branching out and trying your own thing. And I give this advice because I took a year off because I wasn't happy with my last school. And I regret that time off a lot. Like A LOTTTTTTTTT. Don't just leave a school.

Any mat time is better than no mat time. It may not be ideal. But it's still better than losing your muscle memory and instincts. Play by their rules until they're comfortable letting you play by your own. Humility will take you a long way. A studious spirit will give you the green light with a most instructors.

Cool awesome advice thanks David, it seems like I'm in you past situation.