Also, when it comes to the Marcelotine I don't think about set ups as much as I just snatch it up whenever I can. Most of the time it's when something else is going on. People tend to leave their necks wide open when they are taking you down, sweeping you, passing your guard, or defending a pass. He may have changed his mind since then, but Denny said at the first Midwest training camp that it's impossible to do a shooting takedown without being exposed for a choke for a split second. I feel it's the same for when I'm being swept. I've been wrong before of course

the nice thing about the marcelotine is even with better grapplers who pass with their sweeps (instead of sweeping, and trying to pass from scratch) you can still choke them because of the high elbow stopping them from pressing in. If I tap guys that are a higher rank than me, most of the time it's with a marcelotine and ending with me in bottom side with the choke still in.