@Ian me too, absolutely love the training, the way Del breaks down the techniques and puts them across in an easy to understand format as well as focusing on some of the key points and finer aspects. And to Rog, some of us are Traditional converting over and enjoying participating in all the different aspects from the Strength & Conditioning with Josh Mullin from Centurion Training Systems to Boxing to Kick-Boxing to the NoGi. We are all on a learning curve and that is a quote from Del, there will always be something else to learn and always someone out there that knows more than you......its just the getting together and training that we enjoy.