I like to use a reverse kimura grip on my opponent to force their hand to the mat. there is a submission there but they will normally prevent it by going to the mat which will give you new york. Eddie has a brief clip on one of the MTS episodes. Also, Derrick Stuart showed us at the Springfield Training camp a while back what he likes to do, and that is go ahead and clear the neck from crackhead and when you do that'll give you a lot of leverage and a good angle to force a zombie to new york. i use it quite a bit and it's very effective. hope this helps.