Ryan Hall Teaching The Twister Roll

[Brandon Mccaghren]

there's about a 0% chance that Ryan Hall hasn't seen eddie's stuff.

he knows what it is. did he learn this movement from eddie? maybe, maybe not. who cares. i just think he's a good teacher, and i think there is some knowledge to be gleaned from the way he teaches it.

whether or not he (or anyone else, for that matter) is original makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever.

[Jon Watkins]

if you think you can't glean some crucial details from the way ryan teaches this (even if it is different from eddie), then you are a certifiable nut job, or you are already a master .

if you pay attention to the reason that hall does what he does, it's because he isn't even going for the twister at all. for him, it's an avenue to the back, plain and simple.

also, watch the differences and subtleties between the way that ryan rolls and the way eddie rolls. listen to their objectives. you hear eddie say things like:

- "lock him down"
- "settle him down"
- "cinch it up", etc....

you hear ryan use terms like "bait," "trick," etc...

2 different philosophies on the same art. and something extremely valuable to be learned from each.

also, please take note that the techs ryan is showing are done in a gi, where locking down and clinching aren't nearly as important as without the gi. you don't just "slip out" of a half locked truck in the gi. but with greasy legs, you better lock that thing down.

time to start moving beyond step by step techniques and look for principles, boys. there is much to be learned from everyone.

This. You know tradtional half guard offers alot more hip movement for the guy on bottom and it's opens up a whole different bag of tricks to put in your arsenal. And the same can go for this variation of the twister roll. I'd suggest you guys open your minds a little. Isn't that what 10th Planet's supposed to be all about?

[Mike Nall]

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2 things:

1. Ryan didn't take a 10th planet technique. He just started doing the rolling back take over the past couple years. He isn't familiar with the truck or any of the 10th Planet twister roll stuff. I don't think he's ever seen it.

Find it hard to believe that a top level grappler doesnt know shit about what Eddie teaches...
And if he isnt familiar with the truck is he is kinda ignorant to other styles of grappling and I really doubt that.
In case he isnt tho he should become familiar with the 10th planet system.. Evolve or die.
Most of Eddies game is stuff he has from other styles of grappling like sambo, judo and wrestling that he has worked into his bjj game and named for his system.

Pulling out to the side to end a triangle choke is old school, but its ofc awesome that Ryan Hall shows it so ppl that dont use it and arent aware of it see.
Think that kinda got out sourced cause its not that easy in live rolling so ppl just got really good at the squeeze.

Ryan Hall is a beast no doubt. Just saying I personally have the feeling of more control with the grapevine and it gives you more options then just taking the back, gives you the truck, where you can have mad submission game and also gives you the option of going for the twister.

Don't know what to say. Nice reply. Ryan is obviously evolving. He placed 3rd at ADCC and is the only person besides Cobrinha to score on Rafael Mendes and not be submitted.

[Jason Mallory]

I hope Eddie gets a royalty check in case he doesn't get credit for his tekks.

[Dominik]

I think there are definite advantages to the way Ryan does it. In my opinion, not grape-vining your legs makes you more mobile for the roll. However, I think someone that knew what he was doing in the TSC could avoid the lower leg hook. Using your top leg to open their legs has made my twister roll much better from TSC.

thats right, tried it on different guys today and it makes you more mobile for the roll. hook and roll! makes it faster. but if you have to take another road and cant get to the back you have to get the lockdown in the transition and that can be a battle (same thing with the reversed lockdown if he rolles)

[Mike Nall]

thats right, tried it on different guys today and it makes you more mobile for the roll. hook and roll! makes it faster. but if you have to take another road and cant get to the back you have to get the lockdown in the transition and that can be a battle (same thing with the reversed lockdown if he rolles)

If you can't get to the back there are a ton of options that don't involve having to get the lockdown. If you haven't ordered the DVD it's really worth the money. Everything is set up to be applicable without the gi as well.

[Eddie Bravo]

No fishnet? No love handle? No lockdown? Ryan is a straight assassin with alot of shit especially the 50/50 system but based on these clips, his twister roll set ups are circa 2001. Alot has changed since my twister roll set ups in the mid 90's to early 2000's. Dudes at Jean Jacques started getting hip to them and started flipping the twister rolls on me, especially Craig Beachamp. The only way those set ups are gonna work are against guys that don't know how to do twister rolls themselves. If you try to set up a twister roll without a fishnet or love handle or lockdown at HQ against my browns, you will get it flipped on you. I would never set up a twister roll the late 90's way unless I'm rolling with a dude who has no clue about it. Weird how Ryan doesn't mention who he learned the twister roll from but then again it doesn't seem like giving props is something that he's really that into

[Jason Mallory]

Weird how Ryan doesn't mention who he learned the twister roll from but then again it doesn't seem like giving props is something that he's really that into

I guess he doesn't give props when it comes to Eddie Bravo but we know the truth

[Jon Watkins]

I would love to see Ryan Hall roll with some of your brown belts or black belts for that matter. Please make it happen at the next nogi tournament Ryan enters.

[Mike Nall]

You guys are reading way too much into a sample clip.