Breakdown of my match, I bait with subs to get posiitions is it worth it ?

[KamikazePunishment]

[Nick Paul]

Ive been contemplating the same kind of thing. I'll bait my opponent for an arm bar in their guard and use it to pass while defending, but I get burned by higher belts pretty often for trying that kind of thing

[Kurzy]

Nice to see you on the forum. I have a Kamikaze Punishment shirt from when you sponsored Jason "Flash" Gorny.

I personally wouldn't bait with subs in a fight, but I am no MMA fighter.

[David Rosado]

If you know your BJJ is better, then I don't think it's a bad idea. That's Bill Cooper's style. He loves to bait because he forces you to be predictable. And if he can predict your next move, then he's a step ahead. Looks like you got yourself in a bit of trouble over it though. Good stuff btw. I like what you did with the armbar bait and how you would stretch out the leg in guard.

[KamikazePunishment]

Thanks for advice ; any feedback welcome as we are always evolving.

[Jack Hanley]

"I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."

[DocDan84]

Ive been contemplating the same kind of thing. I'll bait my opponent for an arm bar in their guard and use it to pass while defending, but I get burned by higher belts pretty often for trying that kind of thing

Same for me. If I'm rolling with someone, I might make the judgment call that I could bait them with something I feel I can escape and go that route. The problem with that strategy is that you're underestimating your opponent, and that's a dangerous play sometimes.

[Nick Paul]

Dean Lister has a few videos on YouTube where he breaks down how he baits andescapes submissions. Obviously not everyone can be Dean Lister good at defense

[JoeFirth]

I think previous posts have pretty much nailed it.

It's a viable strategy depending on your opponents skill set to yours. From an MMA perspective, I'd also think its great if you're opponent is way more tired than yourself and might got have that squeeze on a sub from guard, that they might have had in round 1.

Even though I am only a white belt, I've done it sometimes if I know someone has a particularly tight guard - very low risk use of it and mainly uses it to tie up.
It takes a bait just to get them to be adventurous and be active.

This final point is probably most applicable in competition grappling than MMA.
The inactive guard in MMA just gets you stood up I suppose!

[Arman Fathi]

There's one position that I've been very conscious about over the last week. Some guys, especially in the gi (but good no-gi rubber guard players) get to that triple threat position from the guard rather easily. I'm talking about where they could threaten an armbar, a triangle, or an omoplata all within one step of each other. I was flowrolling with a black belt recently and as they went for an omoplata and achieved jiu claw, we paused and had a discussion about how I'd defend by pummeling my arm across his hip, pinning it, and scurrying around to secure the cross face and pass to side control. Sounds simple enough, and it works really nice in transition. Since then, I've tried to be more aware where I'm finding myself in that instantaneous moment in a guys guard where I'm forced to either get swept or to give a potential submission setup. I've started playing with letting a guy triangle his legs around my shoulder but then immediately pummeling my hand, clamping down, and looking to pass. It's worked on a few dudes, or at least forced them to turtle, but I went against a very high-level purple last night and he snatched up the triangle like a bat outta hell the instant I pummeled my hand around his hip. It's a risk I had not properly respected, and he had obviously had a lot of discovery on his end prior to our roll that made him more comfortable in that position than me on the receiving end. Ronda Rousey says that she throws people from the headlock all the time cause she just feels like she "knows what I'm doing there more than the other girl 100% of the time." The risk of giving up a submission attempt for a positional advance is hedged only by your knowledge and comfort in that exact scenario, imho. So my profound blue beltch advice is to get as comfortable as you want doing something, understand the risks, options, troubleshoots, ins & outs, back & forths, and nuts & bolts as far as your human brain would allow. From there, we dance.