Techniques

[Arman Fathi]

Thats my point, its not the 10th Planet System thats flawed its the individual. Its no different than someone training in any affiliation and only practicing berimbolos and 50/50 guard. Don't lump it into it being a "10th Planet thing"

It's not a 10th planet thing. I'm 100% in agreement. But you say berimbolo and 50/50 guard, and I mean I've witnessed it be 10p specific technique as well, guys caring more about playing their version of the rubber guard than fundamentals. That doesn't mean it's the rubber guard that's flawed. What magnified it in my instance is that this was taking place outside of a 10th planet school, where a 10th planet instructor wasn't there to walk them through it. I'm at least glad I learned a basic armbar and triangle from the guard before I started investing in rubber guard. I'm at least grateful I was at a 10th planet school before I attempted to test my flexibility and work my way into mission control. I was making mistakes but got corrected on how to hold my ankle, meathook, get to mission control, whathaveyou. Again, it's not a 10th planet thing. That's just one example I've seen. Initially, I explicitly mentioned that I've seen this in AND OUT of 10th planet. That was just one example. I'm of the belief that rubber guard shouldn't be learned without consulting a 10p instructor, given that there can be a risk of injury if done improperly. I credit 10th planet for helping my game jump several levels. I wouldn't be on this forum if my intention were to hate on 10th planet. I'm not an idiot.

[Chris Herzog]

It's not a 10th planet thing. I'm 100% in agreement. But you say berimbolo and 50/50 guard, and I mean I've witnessed it be 10p specific technique as well, guys caring more about playing their version of the rubber guard than fundamentals. That doesn't mean it's the rubber guard that's flawed. What magnified it in my instance is that this was taking place outside of a 10th planet school, where a 10th planet instructor wasn't there to walk them through it. I'm at least glad I learned a basic armbar and triangle from the guard before I started investing in rubber guard. I'm at least grateful I was at a 10th planet school before I attempted to test my flexibility and work my way into mission control. I was making mistakes but got corrected on how to hold my ankle, meathook, get to mission control, whathaveyou. Again, it's not a 10th planet thing. That's just one example I've seen. Initially, I explicitly mentioned that I've seen this in AND OUT of 10th planet. That was just one example. I'm of the belief that rubber guard shouldn't be learned without consulting a 10p instructor, given that there can be a risk of injury if done improperly. I credit 10th planet for helping my game jump several levels. I wouldn't be on this forum if my intention were to hate on 10th planet. I'm not an idiot.

From your first post you have been contradicting yourself:

I've seen a fair amount of people in and out of the 10p network that are focused on 10p specific technique first and foremost and the amount of holes they leave is mind-boggling.

then

It's not a 10th planet thing. I'm 100% in agreement.

So it "IS" or "IS NOT" a 10th Planet thing?

The Warm ups are fundamentals, and they are the most pushed part of the system by Eddie and us moon heads for the past 2.5 years. If you don't know the warm ups, you don't know the 10th Planet System.

What magnified it in my instance is that this was taking place outside of a 10th planet school, where a 10th planet instructor wasn't there to walk them through it

Backing my original post that the issue is not part of the 10th Planet "Network" then.

Its some dudes that don't regularly train at a 10th Planet Affiliate, its dudes that are just sprinkling 10th Planet into their game. That doesn't make them part of the 10th Planet System or "Network".

[Arman Fathi]

It's not a 10th planet thing exclusively. This may have been more appropriate to say. If I contradicted myself, I'll own it. I'm not great at the internet. I don't train regularly at a 10th planet, but have at least gone enough to see each warm-up at a minimum of 2 or 3 times each, some moreso, and have gotten enough reps in to try the stuff in rolls, a lot of which I can execute in a live roll against guys my level or above because I take the time to make sure I'm doing it right, not fast. Live execution should be the end goal, I imagine. I've seen a lot of these moves outside of 10th planet, therefore seeing them in the 10th planet warm-ups is an endorsement by 10th planet that it's a core technique, or at least should be. I haven't disregarded that. That doesn't mean I haven't rolled with guys that train at 10th planet regularly that are choppy in their warm-ups because they're more concerned about pure numbers rather than applicability and don't exhibit the reflexes to actually pull them off against a guy their level. If you want to open up a hellfire can of internet whoop-ass on me, I've probably brought it on myself at this point. Either way, I still believe in the system and continue to study and invest in it despite this thread.

[Eddie Bravo]

In the words of Bruce Lee "Be water, my friend". Everyone's 10th Planet game looks different. Def try to grasp the terminology and learn the paths. Each position is like a tree stump with many branches. Eddie's books help a lot, along with MTS. 10th Planet is constantly changing and growing. It is a living organism. Welcome to the fam.

This ^^^

[Jay Martin]

I teach and roll 5-6 days a week!

[Jay Martin]

Will do Eddie! Thanks for letting me come on board and do this!