Is Honey Flip Legit

[Tyler_Casselman]

Hey guys,

So I've started on the new warmups and want to have them all nailed down decently well within the next 4 to 6 months... Ive been playing saddle/HH for 2 or 3 years now and feel like ive got pretty decent movement and finshes from there...

In H3 - there is that Honey Flow sequence... I was working the the Honey Flip (When you flip the HH onto the other guy)

My Honey flip is by no means super smooth black belt level... but it just seems like a bit much to believe the guy will just sit there and let me flip the HH on him... escpecially if he knows what he's doing... I guess in the end its very similar to just practicing a honey hole escape... turning away and hiding the heal.

Have any of you guys used it to great effect in rolling or in comp?

Thanks.

[Arman Fathi]

\ it just seems like a bit much to believe the guy will just sit there and let me flip the HH on him... escpecially if he knows what he's doing....

This brings to light the age-old jiu jitsu principle of "There are levels to everything."

E.g. We had Eddie Cummings in Chicago for a seminar not too long ago and I got to roll with him afterwards. In a few isolated situations, he shot the honeyhole virtually identically to the one you are referring too. It was lightening explosive and precise. He wasted me. I knew exactly where he was going, what he was doing, and he wasted me. Multiple times.

Another example of "There are levels to everything", I remember the one time I sparred with Eddie and he put me in mission control. Now usually when I shift my base around in rubber guard, even against pretty good guys, I can usually feel a little opening and develop a plan to smash through. With Eddie though, his knee pinch was like a pincer. It felt like I was a walnut in it's shell and Eddie's legs were the nutcracker. The very second that I moved my elbow, he shoved me into the tightest triangle I've felt to date. I got wasted even though I knew precisely what he was doing and where he was going. When I brought it up to Eddie afterwards that his 'leg pinch is legit,' all he said to me was: "There are so many levels bro."

The better you get, the more precise you can catch it, the higher percentage and more sophisticated your abilities will become. No one will give you anything, but if you're so adept at TAKING it, you'll be catching it. Porra.

[Eddie Bravo]

Honey flip in and honey flip out are mad legit. Honey flip in came directly from Oliver Taza while he was visiting Hq a couple years ago

[Tyler_Casselman]

Thanks guys,

I'll check again and put some more reps in

[Battaile Fauber]

Tonon hit one in EBI 13 in his first match iirc

"but it just seems like a bit much to believe the guy will just sit there and let me flip the HH on him"
definitely looks rougher and less smooth live, but running it live the other guy is also focused on his offense