The Leg Lock Debate (Video)

[rickdawson]

It seemed like ADCC this year was the "The Return of the Leg Lock".

[J Grooms]

What about Tony Cecchine and the ever lovable Matt Furey? LOL!
Matt Furey went to Gokor's just one time. He didn't roll.
They said he made a lot of money from his Catch Wrestling
DVDs as well as Tony Cecchine.

What is it you have so against Lou Thez. I think you are confused on him.
Gene LeBell personally told me that he saw Lou Thez line up the best
college Olympic wrestlers in the world and beat everyone of them one
after the other in real wrestling matches. Does that sound like a show
wrestler to you. I think sometime we hear things and it gets stuck in
our heads. I seen Gene LeBell in action. The man is dangerous. Just
ask Eric Paulson, Chuck Norris and many other people who know.

Just because he could out wrestle wrestlers doesn't mean he was a good catch wrestler. Just do some reading before calling me out like that. I'm just letting you know what Gotch and Robinson say about him. And Tony Cecchine is horrible, I never claimed he was anything good. Actually Lou Thesz vouches for Tony Cecchine.. so take that however you want.

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

Just because he could out wrestle wrestlers doesn't mean he was a good catch wrestler. Just do some reading before calling me out like that. I'm just letting you know what Gotch and Robinson say about him. And Tony Cecchine is horrible, I never claimed he was anything good. Actually Lou Thesz vouches for Tony Cecchine.. so take that however you want.

Not calling you out. But I know Gene LeBell and he's not called the toughest man
in the world for nothing. You just don't know.

[J Grooms]

I'm not knocking Lebell lol.. I said Lou Thesz wasn't that good.

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

I'm not knocking Lebell lol.. I said Lou Thesz wasn't that good.

I'm so glad you're not knocking LeBell.

Anyway, I found this:

"It has always been my understanding that Lou unified the NWA&AWA[Alliance]titles by defeating Karl Gotch in Sept/1964 in Columbus.World- Titles.com lists this as the date of the change as well.Upon looking at some Columbus results I see that Thesz beat Gotch on September 2,1963,in what was billed as NWA World Title vs AWA World Title.The two met again 9-21-63 with no mention of it being a title match.Gotch wrestled the rest of the year,October and November shows not listed as a champ.However on the January 4/1964 show Gotch is listed as champ in a world's title match vs Dick the Bruiser.[no mention is made of what title].Two weeks later Thesz and Gotch fought to a draw with both listed as champions.
On the next two shows both guys appeared[not against one another]and both were listed as champs.Gotch continued to appear in this area as champ until Sept/64 when he again lost to Thesz in another unification match.Anyone know if Gotch held two different belts? Maybe a Columbus and a Detroit version of the AWA?"

[J Grooms]

Those were works.. not shoots.

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

Grooms, have you seen Billy Robinson's 4 DVD instructionals?

Billy Robinson: W.A.R. Catch Wrestling - YouTube
http://www.scientificwrestling.com/products/item29.cfm Scientific Wrestling presents W.A.R. Catch Wrestling: Lessons in Catch-As- Catch-Can with Billy ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVNvxh0WXVs - Cached
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[Chris Herzog]

ugh, I see were this thread is headed:

[Tyler Timmermans]

[J Grooms]

I've seen parts of those Dvds and also his double wristlock one. And no Zog, it's headed this way