The Leg Lock Debate (Video)

[Doug "Minnesota"]

We just do catch and release at my gym, most of the time I don't even have time to tap and the guys already let off. There is zero reason someone needs to get there knee, ankle or whatever torqued on, especially from a teammate practicing with you. But these are higher ranked belts purple, brown, some blue that have taken off the gi to roll with me.

I admit though, I don't like the idea of a spaz white belt trying heel hooks and the like on me.

[Jason Mallory]

We just do catch and release at my gym, most of the time I don't even have time to tap and the guys already let off. There is zero reason someone needs to get there knee, ankle or whatever torqued on, especially from a teammate practicing with you. But these are higher ranked belts purple, brown, some blue that have taken off the gi to roll with me.

I admit though, I don't like the idea of a spaz white belt trying heel hooks and the like on me.

"Catch and release" is the way to go when training leg locks. Trainsitioning and maintaining position is what leads to the submission. Once you have position with the hip, knee and foot isolated, it takes very little force to tear the ligaments & cartilage in the knee or foot.

It is dangerous to train leglocks with a spaz. You can defend a straight foot lock correctly with 'the boot' and still get your ACL blown out if they go crazy to get the tap.

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[Kevin Green]

We train them at my school....its a submission like anyother, silly to eliminate learning something for any reason...Do heel hooks have the potential to escalate quickly and cause damage to the knee, sure...so dont be a dumb ass. If its in---tap, if its in and and the guy you are training with doesnt wanna tap, let it go and continue. You know if you could have gotten it or not...you are practicing the set ups, control positions and counters live and nobody goes home needing surgery.

[Chris Herzog]

We train them at my school....its a submission like anyother, silly to eliminate learning something for any reason...Do heel hooks have the potential to escalate quickly and cause damage to the knee, sure...so dont be a dumb ass. If its in---tap, if its in and and the guy you are training with doesnt wanna tap, let it go and continue. You know if you could have gotten it or not...you are practicing the set ups, control positions and counters live and nobody goes home needing surgery.

Excatly!


Funnny how I posted this as a funny goof and it turned into an educational thread

[Kevin Green]

Excatly!


Funnny how I posted this as a funny goof and it turned into an educational thread

Its nice when it happens that way once in a while, seems like most of the educational threads usually turn into a goof...so this is refreshing

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

Great! I love it! Dean Lister just won ADCC 2011 with leg locks, que no?

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... This is funny but oh so true. I've taught leg locks at different places and
currently at 10th Planet Riverside and it's always that same old crap about leg locks. So happy 10th
Planet has Chris Herzog leading the way with leg locks. What would we do without him.

Funny how nobody ever says that beginners should not learn leglock defense. So I always tell people
that when they start in on why people should not do leg locks.

[PJ Sisco]

I have to be honest... I'm just recently trying to learn a good leg lock game. after nearly 7 years of not even trying for them hardly at all. The reasons being: 1. I was told they were too dangerous... 2. The only leg locks I had ever been introduced to were straight ankle, heel hook, toe holds, and knee bars and I didn't think the game was nearly as extensive as it turned out to be. 3. EVERYONE i trained with considered them a dick move. Now, I'm learning them and truly having a lot of fun oh btw... thanks for the advice Herzog! The videos you recommended have been very helpful bro!

[Brent Smith]

One of my buddies just got his knee jacked up becaue he had a straight ankle lock and the guy grabbed his leg and twsted hard and fast. His reasoning was "I had to, you were going to tear my foot off." Cause I guess tapping doesn't make sense