History Gracies probably don't want you to hear

[vdesire]

Interesting short documentary/story. Not a surprise we don't hear much about this......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCai00QBEl4

[vdesire]

Noone interested in this at all ? Weird.

[Eddie Bravo]

What does it say in a nutshell?

[Impulsive]

It tells the story of Rufino Dos Santos, a catch wrestler who challeged Carlos Gracie, who then tried to escape the challenge by trying to make Rufino wear suit and tie during the match and ridicilous stuff like that. Rufino then proceeded to defeat Carlos after which the Gracie brothers jumped him outside of his workplace 3 on 1 and beat him with weapons and broke his arm, resulting in career ending injuries. Gracies ended up getting convicted to 2 years in prison.

[SebG]

It tells the story of Rufino Dos Santos, a catch wrestler who challeged Carlos Gracie, who then tried to escape the challenge by trying to make Rufino wear suit and tie during the match and ridicilous stuff like that. Rufino then proceeded to defeat Carlos after which the Gracie brothers jumped him outside of his workplace 3 on 1 and beat him with weapons and broke his arm, resulting in career ending injuries. Gracies ended up getting convicted to 2 years in prison.

Allegedly, Carlos escaped the ring to avoid a bad situation and jumped the restart with a guillotine. He then claimed that Dos Santos tapped, which was denied by Dos Santos and the ref made another restart.

Regards the prison, the Gracies were well connected politically and it appears that they did not serve any actual time. They had already previously attacked and injured Carlos's former teacher Donato Pires.

From Wikipedia:

The match, which was the only professional bout in Carlos's life,[3] finally took place on the promised day. During the first two five-minute rounds, Rufino dominated the bout,[3] forcing Carlos to defend from his guard and at one point even hit illegal strikes that were admonished by the referee.[4]

At the third, Rufino passed his guard and locked a submission hold, which Gracie avoided by diving out of the ring through the ropes. The referee ordered the match to be restarted on the center of the ring, but Gracie locked a guillotine choke in the process, causing turmoil.[4] Carlos claimed Rufino had tapped out while his opponent denied it, so the judges deliberated for some time and decided to solve the argument by restarting the match. However, Gracie refused to fight, insisting he had already won, and thus Rufino was declared winner.[3]

The conflict then moved to the newspapers, where Rufino critized Carlos's skill and dismissed his jiu-jitsu credentials, leading Carlos, George and Hélio to assault him in front of his teaching place at the Tijuca Tênis Clube on October 18. They hit him repeatedly with a steel bar and immobilized him for Carlos to apply an armlock, dislocating his shoulder so badly that it needed surgery.[4][1]

This time the brothers were arrested and were convicted to two years and a half in prison for assault, as well as for trying to run away during the arrest, but their connections to President of Brazil Getúlio Vargas granted them a pardon.[3]

Like many people, there are Gracie's that have done some stupid stuff. Brazil at that time was under a dictatorship so "mafia" or "gangster" mentality was very common. In parts of America this was also true during Prohibition years and even in modern times, many people can't walk away from an insult, even though it is just words and not facts.

[Keith D]

Interesting short documentary/story. Not a surprise we don't hear much about this......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCai00QBEl4

I just saw this 2 weeks ago (or so), honestly really dark stuff about Carlos/Helio/George/Gustao (I believe). She some new light on the gracies, although I can honestly say I am not surprised.

[Keith D]

What does it say in a nutshell?

It is basically a short documentary telling the store of Rufino Dos Santos - A catch wrestler who was actually the coach of Euclydes Hatem (founder of Luta Livre) - Essentially/Allegedly - The Gracies were doing a challenge match against a Capoera fighter, when they stopped the match to change the rules reguarding the legality of some of their kicks.. After the rules were changed (of course the Gracies won) - Rufino Dos Santos (who was in the crowd) gave his 'I am not impressed by your performance speech' and challenged any Gracie to an immediate match. They all declined that night until Carlos accepted. When they had the rules meeting - Rufino pulled out the BJJ rule book and said he had no problem adhering to those rules. To which Carlos then refused to fight those rules saying 'that he does a self defense version'. After Rufino agreed to the rules Carlos drafted himself - Carlos got around to the dress code - He demanded he be able to wear a gi, and Rufino had to wear a suit 'as he would in the street', everyone knew that was ridiculous - but they fought anyway. During the fight Carlos would engage in unsportsmanlike actions including fleeing the right, and would eventually quit... A few weeks after that match Rufino put out a letter he wrote called 13 question to Carlos Gracie, which included questions like, why did you change the rules and ask a doctor to over turn the result of our fight... and why did you refuse challenges from my students.... The Gracies (3) - Carlos, Helio, and George waited for him at his place of work, and Jumped him ending his Career with a brutal armlock - While Helio beat him with a Pipe... Even back then the Gracies were changing the rules to suit them (Kind of like at Metamoris 3)... A little bit more of a nutshell, but its as short as I could summarize a 12 - 15 minute video.

[vdesire]

What does it say in a nutshell?

Look into it. #flatearth

haha

It's been well summarised by the other posters. I am certainly no fan of the Gracies and here is another reason why. All this putting themself forward as being honourable and respect etc when nothing could be further from the truth.

[Chrismasonic]

The Other Side Of The Tale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRZfOzRe5fU

[vdesire]

#damagecontrol

I'm not buying it. What was described pretty much fits perfectly with the exact behaviour many of the Gracies have exhibited over the years such as demanding bizarre rules for their opponents, always some nonsense story and generally not being able to accept defeat.

They admit three Gracies turned up to the guys work to confront him and you expect us to believe Helio just had a fight with him whilst the other two stood and watched ? Aye ok then.

You can see the smirks on their faces near the end of the video and I guess the jump cut was so they could get a serious face back on.

Remember when Royler/Eddie match 2 was stopped and restarted and Royler tried to start on top, only when they put it on the screen did he go back on bottom. I wonder how that event would have been described by Gracies were it not on video ?

Remember the articles afterwards in jiu jitsu magazines trying to make it sound like Royler got the better of him ? Remember the Gracie breakdowns which of course had Royler on top as the thumbnail ?

Remember Royce smirking about kneeing Ken Shamrock in the groin in their third match ?
Remember when Ralek Gracie conveniently had to have his shorts pulled up when Sakuraba locked in a double wrist lock on him ?
Remember when Ralek Gracie didn't pay anyone for metamoris ?

I could go on but I'm not buying their damage control Gracies were perfectly honourable and bla la la version of events. Seems eerily similar to the stuff we have seen past few decades so why do you expect me to believe it was any different way back when.