Irrefutable facts about our reality

[TheInfamousXMann]

I believe Jesus is the Son of God and he lived and died and rose from the dead to save us from our sins. I was running from it for a long time and I thought I had things figured out, but I was wrong.

I'm very surprised and overjoyed to hear this. What was the tipping point for you? I'm very interested to know what argument or facts helped bring you to the point of changing your world view. I thank and praise God that He brought you to knowledge of the truth. This is great news!

[Jon Watkins]

I'm very surprised and overjoyed to hear this. What was the tipping point for you? I'm very interested to know what argument or facts helped bring you to the point of changing your world view. I thank and praise God that He brought you to knowledge of the truth. This is great news!

https://billygraham.org/answer/how-c...-in-gods-book/

[Jon Watkins]

Thoughts?

[Jon Watkins]

Have you ever contended with this Logic FTW guy?


http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forum...rrection-jesus

@JenWilJW

"Several billion kw of energy and bursts of light as short as a millionth of a second"

I assume you mean kWh.

First: "kw" by it self is incorrect, it is kW. But a typo I am willing to overlook. I think we can safely assume you mean simply kW.

Several billion kW is a meaningless expression in this form. It is like saying: "several billion gallons per." When you really want gallons per (time) like minute, second hour and so on. You need to add a component of time for it to mean anything in this context. If I shake your hand, that millionth of a second, the static shock can be several billion kW per 1 millionth of a second) You likely would not even notice the shock. It actually happens so fast it can be very difficult to measure.

So you are right, several billion kW is highly superficial, it is meaningless. And casts serious doubt the veracity of where ever you quoted that.

Additionally people all the time leave out the h part of kWh and say: "kilo watts" it is incorrect, but people have come to mean the H part is implied.

If you are saying several billion kWh of energy was applied in a millionth of a second. We are talking a whole different ball game. That kind of energy, that fast. That kind of energy in such a confined space as a shroud would cause nuclear reaction to everything within the small area the energy was directed at. Every compound in the targeted area would be smashed apart, even the most stable and robust. Static electricity creates heat (in tiny amounts) 10 times greater than the temperature of the surface of the sun. This would be literally billions of times that.

Your average lighting strike is measured at roughly a mere 250 kWh. And can last a full second or more. This would literally be trillions of times more powerful. A lighting strike can split a robust tree in half. The kind of energy you are talking if you take the implied "h" in kWh all within one millionth of a second would more likely crack the earth in half. But if anything, I can promise you there would be no shroud left with such a concentrated burst of power.

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I do not even need to look at your quoted articles if this is sort of stuff said in them. It is garbage. A simple basic understanding of what watts means as a measurement is all it takes for someone to realize the argument is juvenile at best. As others have already pointed out in this thread, there are many, major! other problems with the shroud of Turin, I won't repeat what has already been said in this thread, but: if the shroud of turin is the best the religious folks can come up with as "evidence" they are in deep shit when it comes to credibility.




Have you read The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross or The Dead Sea Scrolls and The Christian Myth?

https://www.ivantic.info/Ostale_knji..._the_Cross.pdf

Have you read Valis or The Transmigration of Timothy Archer by Philip K Dick?

Have you read The Cloud of Unknowing?

In my drinking and Jiu Jitsu obsession, I sort of forgot the places my mind used to go.


“I discovered that it is necessary, absolutely necessary, to believe in nothing. That is, we have to believe in something which has no form and no color--something which exists before all forms and colors appear... No matter what god or doctrine you believe in, if you become attached to it, your belief will be based more or less on a self-centered idea.”
― Shunryu Suzuki

Song Of Solomon Chapter 3
1 By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.
2 I will rise now, and go about the city in the streets, and in the broad ways I will seek him whom my soul loveth: I
sought him, but I found him not.
3 The watchmen that go about the city found me: [to whom I said], Saw ye him whom my soul loveth?
4 [It was] but a little that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth: I held him, and would not let him go,
until I had brought him into my mother's house, and into the chamber of her that conceived me.
5 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake
[my] love, till he please.
6 ¶ Who [is] this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all
powders of the merchant?
7 Behold his bed, which [is] Solomon's; threescore valiant men [are] about it, of the valiant of Israel.
8 They all hold swords, [being] expert in war: every man [hath] his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.
9 King Solomon made himself a chariot of the wood of Lebanon.
10 He made the pillars thereof [of] silver, the bottom thereof [of] gold, the covering of it [of] purple, the midst thereof
being paved [with] love, for the daughters of Jerusalem.
11 Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of
his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart.

[Jon Watkins]

Job 9:11
"Were He to pass by me, I would not see Him; Were He to move past me, I would not perceive Him.

Job 23:8
"Behold, I go forward but He is not there, And backward, but I cannot perceive Him;

[Jon Watkins]