im sorry. allow me to rephrase for anyone who is confused. lol. What i am attempting to ask is are there any submissions that you get caught in that dont seem to be close to making you tap. be it because youre double jointed, high pain tolorence, or just flexible. For instance if someone tries to banana split (or i think its called crotch ripper in 10th planet), and you can do the splits.. its not going to do much. i hope that clears things up for you