Failed Arm Crush to Knee Bar from the Spiderweb

[Matthias Sieber]

Some flaws in the technique as mentioned above and you make yourself vulnerable to getting foot locked yourself. But if you work on proper technique it's a nice option (as a last resort) to have.

[Aab]

I like this. I will try to surprise some people with this.

[Jason Hyatt]

We've got some serious leg lock monsters out here; I'm not one of them yet but I'm definitely learning how to stay in the game with them. I can say that there's nothing I'm seeing in the transition (as shown at least) to prevent him from sitting up and cross-facing to stuff the knee bar. Now you went from Spiderweb to him on top in side control. I could see this working better from a failed one-arm armbar like Eddie sometimes does from Spiderweb (sometimes Eddie keeps control of the legs with one arm and finishes the armbar solely with the deep hook arm). In that case, you're maintaining control of his legs, you go for the armbar, it's not working, you can keep control of both his arm and leg as you transition your legs for a knee bar. That's speculation on my part though. I'm not there yet when it comes to setting up leg locks. I suppose there's probably a way to get to Russian Cowboy from Spiderweb.

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

If I'm not mistaken, there was a post with someone performing this off the chambers lock which is an arm crush going with the outside leg over the arm. Maybe that would help you out a little.

[Ryan Rex]

Roger. Ill work on that then. Thanks. Do you think this technique is practical though?

[Helge Båtstad]

I suck at knee bars so for me it would prolly not be practical :P but if you have a mean KB then I dont see why not.

Tryed it with an opponent struggling against it tho ? cause it seems that when you go for it you leave one foot high for a lil while so he could hook that foot up and go for a lock himself.

I sometimes go for heels and calf cranks as a defence against knee bars myself if I can sit up some an grab a foot.

[Ryan Rex]

nabbflax: Yeah I noticed that when i was doing it thats why i posted here to see if anyone comes up with a variation that might make it a little safer to set up

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

I think there is a lot of techniques and positions that will work and can become practical if you put the time in fine tuning it. Do a youtube search for it and see if theres some things that work for you. The big thing is that your transition is way loose, I understand you were showing it but try to find a way to tighten it up.

[kyleAkemp]

everyone has said deep hook. some of the best advice you got on here is "practice everything with proper technique.." also your feet should be crossed under his shoulder. and the foot closest to his head on bottom. if you had that deep hook in, you wouldnt have to try to bring your foot straight up for the crush. you would be able to swivel your positioning and swing that foot over his arms.

[Pete Daly]

nabbflax: Yeah I noticed that when i was doing it thats why i posted here to see if anyone comes up with a variation that might make it a little safer to set up

I'm not entirely sure that you would necessarily want to set something like this up. If you think of it as a knee bar from a failed spiderweb (as opposed to arm crush), then I think you may have something. Seems to me like a "uh oh, I'm going to lose the deep hook, what can I salvage from this?" type of move to me.