Its really not that big of a deal. its jiu jitsu.

[Shannon]

I mean I understand the hype about the wint - AT THE TIME - its just like MMA back in the early 90's it was mainly about "Whose style was superior to others." in present day, everyone knows the same techniques and moves. many are good at striking and ground fighting. so in stead of it being what style is better its more "who's more conditioned" and "who's more focused."
And I fully agree with Ari Hooper, everyone bleeds and can be beaten at any givin moment. Ari, Im a military brat, honestly, Thank you for all you do, no grappling match or fight will ever stack up to what my dad, you, and millions of others do daily.

I just think the focus has kind of gotten misdirected and has focused entirely on the fact a gracie was beaten and not the actual art itself.

[Andy Lopez]

well its not just the peoples fault, its the media. Eddies first book mastering jiu jitsu uses the victory as a selling point. I believe it says something on the line of "for the first time ever, eddie bravo reveals his secret techniques he used to defeat royler gracie" or something. Whether that was the publishers idea to market the book like that or eddies is a clue to me, I do know he was not completely happy about that book in general though.

[Shannon]

well its not just the peoples fault, its the media. Eddies first book mastering jiu jitsu uses the victory as a selling point. I believe it says something on the line of "for the first time ever, eddie bravo reveals his secret techniques he used to defeat royler gracie" or something. Whether that was the publishers idea to market the book like that or eddies is a clue to me, I do know he was not completely happy about that book in general though.

I agree that is mor eof a media thing, Dont get me wrong, I've bought eddie's book "Mastering the Rubber guard" and I also believe that Eddie is an amazing jiu jitsu fighter and im not taking anything away from him as far as skill and know how at all. It's just, Eddie beat Roger, whoop de doo. Can I do I beat a gracie, or eddie? 7-10 times more than likely hell no because their game is on an entirely different level than mine. give me about 5 or so years and I promise I probobly can give either a good workout. but int he reality of it even if you have the greatest grappler in the world against the worst. 9-10 times the novice guy will be beaten like Whiteney Houston. However even for a legend. It only takes one mistake to lose. one little slip. If I fought brock lesner Ya im gonna get killed, but all it takes is one good punch, one lucky shot, maybe one perfectly timed parry and throw, and guess what, he'll go down like everyone else will.
I'm sure eddie gets tapped now and then. it doesnt make him any less of a grappler. S^&T happens.

[DarbyBarby]

Just to give a bit of perspective it would not be 9 times out of 10 they would beat a regular grappler it's more like 1000 times out of 1001 and one they would win. I still stick to my first point, for some who doesn't care about this match or who won or what ever you have really given a lot of time to this thread, it shows how much you don't care lol.

[Shannon]

Just to give a bit of perspective it would not be 9 times out of 10 they would beat a regular grappler it's more like 1000 times out of 1001 and one they would win. I still stick to my first point, for some who doesn't care about this match or who won or what ever you have really given a lot of time to this thread, it shows how much you don't care lol.

lol, 1000 matches is alot to watch. let me get the beer.
honestly dont care that people get the hype that eddie beat a gracie, just wondering why its been dragged on and on and on. theres a bunch of fights i'd like to see, wouldnt really care who won, Just want to see jiu jitsu on that high of a level.

[DarbyBarby]

I don't think it really is getting dragged on. From what I've noticed besides this particular post most of the time when people bring up this fight it's usually just because people are bad mouthing Eddie and 10th planet by saying stuff like "The only reason he's famous is because he got lucky and beat a Gracie" I think they only reason it's been bought up on this forum at all is because people are excited to see the rematch.

[Peter Hirt]

Anybody can win on any given day... but that's what competition is about -who can be more ready and more focused on THAT day. And THAT day, was Eddie's day; no doubt.

Here's an outsider's view: I'm a Tae Kwon Do/Judo guy with a passion for the ground game. I found Ari and Submissions101 on Youtube, and then found Eddie through Ari, and then (being a big MMA fan) realized the connection between Eddie and Joe Rogan (who's commentary I love, and who's "reverse-side-arm-triangle-set-up-then-cartwheel-over-for-the-kill" move has become one of the staples of my game) -and I was sold.

It was only after all that when I was even aware of Eddie's famous match. But seriously, the first American to tap a Gracie as a Brown Belt on the World stage? I don't hear anyone clamoring for a rematch between US and Russia to make sure the 1980 Hockey game wasn't a fluke. Its called the "Miracle on Ice". Doesn't matter that the Russians were powerhouses before then and after. That day was the United States day; and so was 2003 for Eddie.

In my humble opinion, Eddie has already cast himself into the history of Jiu Jitsu as a Legend and as an Innovator; the only question that remains is how far and wide his influence reaches in the end. Ha! If there is an end! His influence still seems to be accelerating...! I know I'm doing my part.

[Jason Hyatt]

"But seriously, the first American to tap a Gracie as a Brown Belt on the World stage? I don't hear anyone clamoring for a rematch between US and Russia to make sure the 1980 Hockey game wasn't a fluke. Its called the "Miracle on Ice". Doesn't matter that the Russians were powerhouses before then and after. That day was the United States day; and so was 2003 for Eddie."

^ This FTW.

[OmyPlata]

as a lover of the triangle choke, do you know how hard it is to triangle choke a wily blue belt? or purple belt? or brown belt? or black belt? Or multiple degree black belt Gracie?

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

Rank and origin in this case did make all the difference. A black belt, whatever degree is still a black belt, who has not lost in that competition ever loses to a brown belt doesn't mean a thing? It always means something when someone from a lower class beats an upper class. It is a big deal, and obviously it's a big deal to Royler because he wants the rematch as well!