Traditional jiu jitsu vs. 10th planet jiu jitsu

[Sam Dibble]

I've repped my rubber guard while rolling from day one at my gym, and my instructor has never stopped me or said to focus on other things because he has an open mind, and because he sees me working over some of his most promising students in my guard, I say with all humility. You need to put in mad reps to be truly good at anything in life, not just jiu jitsu, and the wider your repertoire the more possible options you have to end the fight and stay out of danger. Because of innate flexibility, I've been able to dive into rubber guard from the beginning, but that won't work for everyone. The fundamentals of Judo, Wrestling, 10th planet JJ, Kung Fu, and many other arts work for anyone able enough to put their reps in. In the end its what you do and often how many times you've done it before that will determine your performance in a given situation.

[phil kleffner]

For me, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu itself is not traditional. Tradition implies stagnation, & BJJ is constantly evolving. But, like any sport Fundamentals are the most important thing. you won't finish a flying armbar if you can't finish a basic armbar. You won't maintain a top control position, if you don't understand basic pressure, etc.. 10PJJ is still BJJ. If Eddie is the father of 10PJJ, then Jean Jacques Mavhado is the Grandfather, & you can be sure that Eddie started out with solid fundamentals from him before he mastered anything else. Just keep working what works for you but understand the fundamental principals that make it work. Side note; go ahead and get submissions when you can, because if your positioning and control isn't developed enough then you won't get to a submission most of the time anyways. And, if your tapping people out to easily, seek out better people to roll with (Eddie talks a lot about training down, training up, & striking a balance between the two).

[Luke Jarvis]

Well when my lifes in danger on the street I'm not going to pull guard and use rubber guard. In a controlled environment such as a comp or MMA fight 10p is cool but if someones trying to kill you or your family are you going to put them in a gogoplata? This just my opinion no disrespect. I ve trained for a good amount of time at both places.

No bit I sure as fuck am gonna choke a mother fucker out in anyway possible

[Eric Spicely]

Finally some positive shit and not the brainwashed "the gi is gay, pajama sleep over, traditional is stagnant" mentality. Both are qually as great and have their purpose. Gracie Jiu Jitsu is take the man down and end the fight. Yes it's plain and simple and proven to be affective. More gi grapplers have won the ADCC and other high ranking comps without a gi. I like 10th p and find it very interesting and I know it works in a lot of situations. But all the negative hate and disrespect for the traditional Jiu Jitsu is what keeps 10th planet down and makes it frowned upon. Just my opinion. I don't think one is better but you can't say something is gay when it's got that much lineage

[Sam Dibble]

BJJ is constantly evolving, but I guarantee that the (dare I say) Traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu has incorporated the same basic system of fundamental principles for thousands of years. Scarf hold is probably a caveman age move, its that powerful. Each basic control position is a jumping off point for a huge array of sequential controls to gain the submission. Balance is the key to every part of the equation too, action meets reaction, best laid plans and even the most proven techniques must evolve or die, in both the short and long term. What I think is cool is digging into the reps and finding those techniques that stand the test, the trial by fire, and honing certain moves till they cut through most opponents, then finding the next one and honing that too.

Cross training multiple arts has helped me out a lot too, physically, mentally, and spiritually.

[Eric Spicely]

4 site. Exactly. To me the Gi is the equivalent to someones jacket or shirt. That's why gi training is important. In a perfect world you could just take his back and choke em out. But chances are a cross collar choke will be more affective. But that also makes my point that just like traditional JJ has it's place the same w 10p. You can't gi choke or use the same grips in a MMA match and a no gi comp. But everything is effective when applied to the setting it was meant for. Which is why I don't understand why people on here are so anti gi. And why gi people are so anti 10p

[Luke Jarvis]

4 site. Exactly. To me the Gi is the equivalent to someones jacket or shirt. That's why gi training is important. In a perfect world you could just take his back and choke em out. But chances are a cross collar choke will be more affective. But that also makes my point that just like traditional JJ has it's place the same w 10p. You can't gi choke or use the same grips in a MMA match and a no gi comp. But everything is effective when applied to the setting it was meant for. Which is why I don't understand why people on here are so anti gi. And why gi people are so anti 10p

I do agree with you but you don't need a gi choke to choke someone out now I'm not bagging the gi either I train in will- machado as well

[D.Stachovak]

It's not the Gi itself,but the argument that it represents street clothing is a weak one. In Rio when does anyone ever wear that much clothes? If it's self defense you're after,train from time to time in your street clothes. Some gi moves work great,some don't. Jiu Jitsu itself,(Brazilian or otherwise) like almost all martial arts is designed as a system of dueling (one on one combat). Most of us study an art to relax,get some exercise,and maybe do a little competition. No amount of Jiu Jitsu is going to help you during a carjacking...

[Jon Helton]

But all the negative hate and disrespect for the traditional Jiu Jitsu is what keeps 10th planet down and makes it frowned upon.

+1

[Chris Herzog]

But all the negative hate and disrespect for the traditional Jiu Jitsu is what keeps 10th planet down and makes it frowned upon. Just my opinion. I don't think one is better but you can't say something is gay when it's got that much lineage

Eric you'll be hard pressed to hear any of the 10th Planet top dogs say anything disrepectful or hateful towards towards "traditional" BJJ its usually whitebelts and people that are 10th Planet fans that don't actually training at HQ or an affialte.