kimura question..

[chronic_jiujitsu]

Ok, lets say we are in regular side control and we have the kimura locked in.. now i understand putting the leg behind the head when you turn it, and ive seen locking your feet once you step over, or there's just finishing it from side control.. but ive been trying something new to me (for all i know its used all the time, i just dont see it bc im not at a gym).. but its working for me a lot. anyway.. once you have the kimura locked in from s.c., is there any reason it would be bad to then keep it locked in while stepping into mount, and then proceeding to turn it until they roll on top, finishing how you would if you were to do a kimura from full guard. Im not sure why but i just feel more comfortable and it seems to work just as well for me. So i was just wondering before i start making it a habit.. is there a reason i shouldnt be doing this? or something i should be aware of that i just havent come across yet?

[Freddy Chavez]

If you lose their arm you've given up 2 dominant positions. That's all I can think of.

[chronic_jiujitsu]

i prefer bottom anyway lol. so that doesnt bother me. (unless we're battling for points of course)

[Freddy Chavez]

If you prefer bottom then it' could be a smooth transition possibility. If you've got me mounted with a kimura and i'm trying to power out and I get out of mount/reverse the position, but my arm is in a worst angle then kudos for you haha.

[Luke Jarvis]

Yeah dude I do the same thing

[Mike Nall]

i prefer bottom anyway lol. so that doesnt bother me. (unless we're battling for points of course)

Doesn't matter if you prefer bottom. You have a much stronger mechanical advantage finishing the Kimura from the top. Even if you don't lose the Kimura by going to your back, as you face better opponents it's not going to be high percentage. Look at how many matches are finished by purple, brown, and black belts (gi and no-gi) with the Kimura from the bottom.... almost none. Look at how many are finished from side control and north/south... Much more common.

Never ever give up a good position with a tight sub locked in for a weaker position and a lower chance of finishing the sub.

It's just dumb. No offense. It may not be dumb now for you, but it's a habit that will cause you trouble as you progress.

Preferring to play guard doesn't mean you should give up a top position Kimura to try to finish it from the bottom.

[bobby rivers]

I agree. Learn to control and finish from top. You are slick on the bottom, but like mike said, on a more skilled opponent, your gonna want to be on top. I rarely finish with kimoras, but use it to transition to the armbar or spiderweb.

Eisner went over some really good tips on finishing from top in mts 17. Besides the fact that I love any rolling or flying sub setup.

[Shane Lee]

think about your points of contact...

Even "if" you and your opponent are evenly matched in size and strength, you're putting yourself at risk of being swept by giving up points of contact. The mount is a position; a setup to find opportunity to end the conflict

...not an end all technique

[Shane Lee]

...maybe, bape over with the arm locked setting up some sort of arm crusher, short arm scissor (SAS), Dorsal Fin'ish

[Mike Nall]

think about your points of contact...

Even "if" you and your opponent are evenly matched in size and strength, you're putting yourself at risk of being swept by giving up points of contact. The mount is a position; a setup to find opportunity to end the conflict

...not an end all technique

Yep. Also, even if they are an exact match in size and strength, being on bottom would still give the edge to the top player. Like I told him, you NEVER see Kimuras finished from the bottom at the high level. The only time that sticks out in my mind is Jacare over Marcelo Garcia at ADCC 2005. Whereas I can name countless examples of Kimuras finished from the top.