
Originally Posted by
Louis Ho
Nice breakdown. Isn't the Marcelo Guillotine more of a shallow hold on the neck as opposed to a deep hold, as Rener was showing?
Yes. It can be finished with the arm deeper but normally it's right on the sharp part of the forearm with the facing up.

Originally Posted by
Jared Gammel
I haven't watched the gracie breakdown, but live, I thought he started Marcelo style and ended up finishing more of a McKenzietine.
Yes, he went from Darce, to Marcelotine, to McKenzitine

Originally Posted by
danno
i was thinking the same thing Louis Ho.. and he made it sound like you have got to be bigger than the guy you are rolling with but im small and i land that guillotine ALL the time
Yea you don't have to be big to get the forearm over the back/elbow lift at all. It's (Marcelo's guillotine) the most effective and versatile guillotine there is.

Originally Posted by
Randy Butler
It looked like the Marcelo guillotine to me also.
The choke Jones actually finished Bader with was the Pray guillotine (McKenzietine), but he started with a Darce, then to a Marcelotine first.