The Truth about Organic Food?

[Brandon Jeffries]

So how do you obtain calories from just eating organic food? i have a super fast metobalism and i have to at least eat around 3500 a day not to lose weight. i usually eat around 5000 and like to eat 7500. Don't see how someone cant eat meat. gotta have that protein.

Yeah I have a high Metabolism too. I burn about 3100 calories a day. That is a handicap for us. The only answer is we just have to eat more. Point blank, sorry. As far as protien goes, you dont need much. To Maintain muscle one should consume 30mg per kg of body mass. That means if I walk around at 165 then I am 75kgs of body mass. 30mg x 75kg = 2250mg Thats only 2.25 grams a day. Thats a qurter cup of Black Beans a day. Now recommended daily intake to gain muscle for someone thats trains 5-10 hours a week is .7g for every pound of body weight. so if I weigh 165, I need to consume 115.5 grams of protien a day to gain muscle. 3 cups of peanuts contain about 120 grams of protien. So to Gain Muscle you only have to eat 3 cups of peanuts a day. Thats no where near the amount of protien that everyone thinks you need, and thats to GAIN Muscle. You could eat enough protien in a half cup of almonds or black beans a day to maintain your muscle mass.

(all of the info I stated comes from the book "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" Writen by: Loren Cordain, PhD. its a must read if you are into nutrition)

[Brandon Jeffries]

Well where do we draw the line when it comes to production versus nutrition versus cost value versus time . I mean I know brown rice is much healthier than white (or at least that's what I've been told) but white rice rice has much much longer shelf life than brown . Should we have to change all our eating habits and resort to eating organic food when it costs twice as much I mean most of us cant even afford to buy premium gas let alone spend twice as much on food a month for the exact same amount . The day they start selling wholesale organic food for the same price as wholesale non organic food I can guarantee everyone will jump on the wagon but when it costs $9.37 for half a pound of organic cashews well you can just suck my non organic balls. If you grow your own food than thats great cut out the middle man but how much does it cost to maintain a garden where it will support your eating habits month to month to month and I can bet you still have to buy no matter how much food your growing (unless you have a garden the size of a farm than your just a rich douche). I mean did you know if you live in a house with a fridge and a bed your already rich than more than half of the world.It all comes down to is us small and insignificant ants trying to bargain with the big man holding the giant magnifying glass slowly burning us to nothing and making money off of it to.

You are right about how high priced organic food is. I think that Cashews are a bad example though, all nuts are expensive as hell. Organic or not. I am fortunate enough to have the ability to grow my own food. It takes one acre per person per yearto get threw a mild winter. Now if you grow crops through the winter like cabbage spinach brocolli lettuce ect. then you can grow all year and provide yourself food. It cost far far less to have an organic garden than you think. If you have the tools then all you spend money on is seed. After the seed has gown, you save seeds from the plant to use next year. You dont spend any money on fertilizers, pesticides or herbicides. You compost your wastes to put nutrients back into the soil instead of fertilizers. The best way to water them is to put a huge 55 gallon drum in the middle of the garden to catch rain water, and use that to water your plants. It costs almost no money at all to grow your food organicaly. Growing your own food helps save the environment and ecosystems in your area, and also keeps money in your pocket.

[Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz]

See that's awesome I personally plan on growing my own fruits and vegetables as well but I still don't really buy that it may cost cheaper to organically grow your own food I understand that you don't need to buy fertilizers and such but I mean that it shouldn't be a whole lot cheaper I of course know once you set up shop and have the whole process going than yes in the long run it would be cheaper but I mean when you first start setting up I'm not sure but it probably cost a pretty penny to begin the process of setting up a garden that you plan on living off of for a little while.The main problem I have with organic food is that for us fortunate enough to even be able to discuss what foods we should eat is that same thing I have a problem with the fact that we can discuss what we should eat unlike other places and countries where people discuss about what they HAVE to eat to survive the day not even worrying about next week if there's a way for a starving child in Ethiopia or Dar fur to eat organic food than Im all for it but if all he can eat is non organic food than leave him be .See the main problem we can all agree with is over population back than we didn't need factories and corporations to feed us by the billions so that 2 out of 3 families didn't need to farm just to survive I'm sure many will disagree and many will agree with me that there are necessary evils in the world like natural disasters ,cancer, AIDS, STD'S, alcohol ,tobacco, its very devastating the effects these things can have on the world but can you imagine if nobody died ever? can you imagine if people just in the US alone didn't die around 500,000 times a year just from alcohol and tobacco? think of it how you want population control or whatever but the fact remains over population doesn't help anybody especially when the majority of those people are just consumers.

[miketubbs]

overpopulation is not an issue. We have enough food, we have an access to food issue, which again comes down to poverty. African kids (or most other similar nations) don't need "organic" food, they need to be left in control of their own resources. Most of the hunger issues around the world are due to the "west" abusing and exploiting the workers and governments to get control of the resources.

As for the fact that organic cost more is a bit of a relative argument. North Americans spend the lowest per capita on food, less than 10%. It's not so much that organic is expensive as it is that "conventional" food is dirt cheap. Not only that, I have a premium body, it deserves premium fuel.

[Brandon Jeffries]

overpopulation is not an issue. We have enough food, we have an access to food issue, which again comes down to poverty. African kids (or most other similar nations) don't need "organic" food, they need to be left in control of their own resources. Most of the hunger issues around the world are due to the "west" abusing and exploiting the workers and governments to get control of the resources.

As for the fact that organic cost more is a bit of a relative argument. North Americans spend the lowest per capita on food, less than 10%. It's not so much that organic is expensive as it is that "conventional" food is dirt cheap. Not only that, I have a premium body, it deserves premium fuel.

I hear that man.

[Brandon Jeffries]

See that's awesome I personally plan on growing my own fruits and vegetables as well but I still don't really buy that it may cost cheaper to organically grow your own food I understand that you don't need to buy fertilizers and such but I mean that it shouldn't be a whole lot cheaper I of course know once you set up shop and have the whole process going than yes in the long run it would be cheaper but I mean when you first start setting up I'm not sure but it probably cost a pretty penny to begin the process of setting up a garden that you plan on living off of for a little while.The main problem I have with organic food is that for us fortunate enough to even be able to discuss what foods we should eat is that same thing I have a problem with the fact that we can discuss what we should eat unlike other places and countries where people discuss about what they HAVE to eat to survive the day not even worrying about next week if there's a way for a starving child in Ethiopia or Dar fur to eat organic food than Im all for it but if all he can eat is non organic food than leave him be .See the main problem we can all agree with is over population back than we didn't need factories and corporations to feed us by the billions so that 2 out of 3 families didn't need to farm just to survive I'm sure many will disagree and many will agree with me that there are necessary evils in the world like natural disasters ,cancer, AIDS, STD'S, alcohol ,tobacco, its very devastating the effects these things can have on the world but can you imagine if nobody died ever? can you imagine if people just in the US alone didn't die around 500,000 times a year just from alcohol and tobacco? think of it how you want population control or whatever but the fact remains over population doesn't help anybody especially when the majority of those people are just consumers.

Seriously you can start your own organic garden that will provide through the winter for about 200 bucks man. For real, I strated over an acre for less than $200. Its amazing how easy it is to provide for yourself. The Earth just gives it to you.

[James III]

Don't see how someone cant eat meat. gotta have that protein.

Beef contains around 20 complete protein. Spirilina contains 70% complete protein plus a whole load of vitamins and minerals you don't get from meat. Since I have been vegetarian I'm still the same weight and build but I definetly feel like my energy levels are higher. If you do the research it is possible to have a diet that is way more nutritious then anything meat can give you.

[James III]

See the main problem we can all agree with is over population back than we didn't need factories and corporations to feed us by the billions so that 2 out of 3 families didn't need to farm just to survive I'm sure many will disagree and many will agree with me that there are necessary evils in the world like natural disasters ,cancer, AIDS, STD'S, alcohol ,tobacco, its very devastating the effects these things can have on the world but can you imagine if nobody died ever? can you imagine if people just in the US alone didn't die around 500,000 times a year just from alcohol and tobacco? think of it how you want population control or whatever but the fact remains over population doesn't help anybody especially when the majority of those people are just consumers.

No I do not agree and I would be extremly carefull with that line of thought. I wonder if you would feel the same if it was someone you loved who was hurting, crying out in pain and then died in front of your eyes? Would you think that is a neccesary evil?

Unfortunetly it's too much to write in a comment but when you really look into it overpopulation is a complete lie in my opinion. Estimates have shown the entire worlds population can actually fit into the state of Texas. The actual problem is so much of the worlds soil has been ruined. Particulary in Africa. So we can't grow things there. Remember deserts are man made. Also if you have ever seen the figures of how much food is produced in the West and how much is actually wasted it's astonishing. Also the corrupt leaders of these starving countries are quite happy to spend billions on Weapons and their Palaces but not on feeding their own people. There IS enough money and enough food to go around but the worlds Governments are greedy and corrupt so people starve and die. Over-population is a myth in my view.

[Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz]

Do you know of any good websites or recipes for vegan lifestyles preferably a website cause I'm sure some guys here might know of a good one and also I don't plan on being vegan but I have always planned on eating vegan like before tournaments or fights to get that cleansed body while pushing my body to the max safely and having the nutrition to support it but who knows it might stick with me I just don't see myself not enjoying a 16 oz Skirt Steak or Fillet Mignon just to damn good to pass up lol

[miketubbs]

Check out The Thrive Diet...great book for transitioning to vegan diet, and written by an ironman triathlete. I'm sure there is a corresponding website. Also has recipes