Starting to take this wrestling vs jiu jitsu personal

[hamzatu]

It is inevitable that wrestling and Jiu Jitsu merge. Just look at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, there's a lot of wrestling in the mix. A lot of people were hating wrestlers before Jiu Jitsu came along. Anyway real wrestlers don't have friends so who cares.

"If you need a friend get a dog..."

[AJ Camacho]

It is inevitable that wrestling and Jiu Jitsu merge. Just look at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, there's a lot of wrestling in the mix. A lot of people were hating wrestlers before Jiu Jitsu came along.

10th Planet especially, that's what is so ironic about this discussion occurring on this message board. Eddie used to wrestle and look at how that effected his perspective on BJJ. If you concede that physicality and athleticism are essential aspects of grappling (rather than the BJJ ethos of conservation of energy) there are some great tools to be found in the wrestling tool box.

[Josh Smith]

A wrestler who doesn't want to ad submissions to his game is like a boxer with an good jab who doesn't want to ad knockout punches to his game

Well said!!!

[Josh Smith]

as you grow older and athletisim leaves all you have left is technic.

That's what I try to tell people!!! Technique Prevails!!!

[Justin Toenjes]

I Just started Jiu Jitsu a few months ago, I have wrestled since the 3rd grade and I believe it is one of "if not the best" bases to bring into any sort of grappling sport. Not only does it improve a person's work ethic, but it improves a person's positioning, hip movement etc... etc...

While I can see where some people come from, watching a top notch wrestler take a guy down and lay on him for 15 Minutes or more is extremely boring (sometimes even for me) and I love wrestling, but you do have to admit that for a person, lets just say in the UFC to go in there with top level competitors and completely take them out of there game whatever it may be. Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, Muay Thai, Judo etc..... is pretty damn impressive if you ask me, but again that is just me and we all have our own opinions.

But anyways, I could see where you are all coming from! I would hate to have a wrestler come in and just take me down all day and lay on me that would suck! but don't take it out on us wrestlers that come in dying to learn the 10th planet game or just the JJ game. everyday I am in the gym I can't wait to learn something new! last thing I want to do is come in take someone down and lay on them all night.

[Joshua Jarboe]

I really wish the scoring for this kind of thing was different. I recently watched the Jason Planet match with that Division 1 wrestler. And at no point was Jason in trouble that I could see (maybe that's not saying much). When Jason was on his back, he was attacking. When Jason was standing, he was attacking. I got done watching that video thinking "That wrestler barely survived." But he won because he put Jason on his back a couple times.

Putting a boxer on his back in MMA is all well and good, but a BJJ guy? He might be happier there. Oh well.

[Daniel Valdez]

I really wish the scoring for this kind of thing was different. I recently watched the Jason Planet match with that Division 1 wrestler. And at no point was Jason in trouble that I could see (maybe that's not saying much). When Jason was on his back, he was attacking. When Jason was standing, he was attacking. I got done watching that video thinking "That wrestler barely survived." But he won because he put Jason on his back a couple times.

Putting a boxer on his back in MMA is all well and good, but a BJJ guy? He might be happier there. Oh well.

This is exactly the shit that I was thinking of when I started this thread. The mindset of surviving to not lose, and being able to win from it.

[MWTheory]

Why don't we agree wrestlers can learn alot from us, and we can learn alot from wrestlers. As a mixed martial artist if u don't have wrestling or you don't have jiu jitsu u will not go far.

I'll agree with that.

[derrick ikwueme]

No Doubt there are some beutiful moves in wrestling, like the Jon Jones moves on stephon bonner, " super entertaining " but hes the only wrestler in MMA with that level of athletisism. I hate when wtrestlers get " picked apart " and steal the round just with a take down. Dream in japan has the best scoring system for MMA not allowing wrestlers to avoid the " technicle aspect " of the MMA game. for us BJJ players, if your guard isn't deadly enough to " kill off " lay and pray wrestlers it's your own fault.

[GorlockMacGregor]

This is exactly the shit that I was thinking of when I started this thread. The mindset of surviving to not lose, and being able to win from it.

Hahahaha, dude, that's the founding principle of BJJ. Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, well done.