AJ,
I really appreciate intellectually mature style of your arguments. You have not taken any pot shots or made snide remarks by calling people crazy or cuckoo or troll. I'm really saddened by the fact that there are people out there that want others dead for the simple reason that they happen to have a different of opinion. I think that theists have difficulty differentiating between true atheists and haters. The way I see it, one can not hate something that they don't believe in or is nonsensical. I don't understand when people get angry or hateful while arguing that their point of view is privileged with "rationality or logic." Emotion plays no part in rationality or logic. Then they resort to name calling and questioning someones sanity or motives.
You present yourself as a someone who is well informed on many topics. I'm confident that you know this already but I'll say it anyway, you have control of your thoughts and feelings. What the older woman said to you is only awkward if you allow it to be. She also could have meant that she was just an a "thankful state" whoever or whatever she was thankful to is on her. But then again you were there and I wasn't so, if that was your interpretation of the incident, then that's really all we can go by.
I don't see it as a vicious cycle. I see good in having personal guidelines to our conduct. It forces us to periodically check ourselves and whether we are living withing those guidelines or need to make adjustments to either our conduct or our guidelines. The problem I see is when one group of people starts holding another group to the guidelines they had originally set for ourselves. That is to say, I hold belief X and anyone who doesn't agree with belief X is subject to the penalties I had originally set for people who believe in belief X.
I agree, no one can prove physically that Jesus rose from the grave anymore than man can prove that we have a spirit or a consciousness or that we love. We can only show its effects. For better or worse, we all make decisions based on partial information. Some require more concrete information and less circumstantial or vice-versa in order to come to a conclusion. Again I really appreciate your argument I wish more people would take the time to present their thoughts the way you have.
You have my respect.-- Orlando
I really appreciate intellectually mature style of your arguments. You have not taken any pot shots or made snide remarks by calling people crazy or cuckoo or troll. I'm really saddened by the fact that there are people out there that want others dead for the simple reason that they happen to have a different of opinion. I think that theists have difficulty differentiating between true atheists and haters. The way I see it, one can not hate something that they don't believe in or is nonsensical. I don't understand when people get angry or hateful while arguing that their point of view is privileged with "rationality or logic." Emotion plays no part in rationality or logic. Then they resort to name calling and questioning someones sanity or motives.
You present yourself as a someone who is well informed on many topics. I'm confident that you know this already but I'll say it anyway, you have control of your thoughts and feelings. What the older woman said to you is only awkward if you allow it to be. She also could have meant that she was just an a "thankful state" whoever or whatever she was thankful to is on her. But then again you were there and I wasn't so, if that was your interpretation of the incident, then that's really all we can go by.
I don't see it as a vicious cycle. I see good in having personal guidelines to our conduct. It forces us to periodically check ourselves and whether we are living withing those guidelines or need to make adjustments to either our conduct or our guidelines. The problem I see is when one group of people starts holding another group to the guidelines they had originally set for ourselves. That is to say, I hold belief X and anyone who doesn't agree with belief X is subject to the penalties I had originally set for people who believe in belief X.
I agree, no one can prove physically that Jesus rose from the grave anymore than man can prove that we have a spirit or a consciousness or that we love. We can only show its effects. For better or worse, we all make decisions based on partial information. Some require more concrete information and less circumstantial or vice-versa in order to come to a conclusion. Again I really appreciate your argument I wish more people would take the time to present their thoughts the way you have.
You have my respect.-- Orlando
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