Bruce Lee vs Gracie?!?

[Isaiah Mendoza]

everything about bruce lee is bullshit

joe lewis flat out said he is not a fighter. he was an actor.

bruce lee never competed in anything. his students make claims sometimes that he entered tournaments under different names so that they would let him in (because no one would fight him of course), he barely knew any ground fighting. he just started learning judo near the end of his life.

his strength claims are bullshit. there's no way he was able to hold 70 pounds directly infront of him. everything about bruce lee is bullshit...why aren't his students tearing up some competitions? why haven't we heard about one of them using dim mak and killing street gangs?

ok first it's important to clear the fact up that martial arts have evolved ALOT since lee's time. And it's true that bruce lee did not know how to fight on the ground the way people do today. But saying he did not know how to fight is ridiculous.

using one fighter's quote to blanket everything about bruce lee is not a smart thing to do. Using that logic, I can use chuck norris' quote ("I would be no match for Lee in a real fight") as a blanket statement too. Remember Chuck Norris retired as an undefeated karate champion.

Also, John little documented and witnessed bruce lee's physical feats. Plus it's not hard to find footage of his ridiculous strength.


Also I found a couple succesful competitors in the JKD lineage. Let's see there was Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Eric Paulson. Then there is Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Yori Nakamura. Also, Bruce Lee was a highschool boxing champ. He also got into a streetfight with a gang member in 1959 and broke his arm. He also knocked out a karate black belt in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle reffed by Jesse glover. So he did compete. He also beat an extra in an onset fight of enter the Dragon when the extra kept taunting him and saying he was an actor, not a fighter. There were also many witnesses for this fight.

so ya. you can't use a quote from Joe Lewis as a blanket statement. That's like saying all republicans are stupid because Bill oreilly is, or all liberals are liars because Micheal Moore is. It's important to look at the details and not jump to conclusions from a single objective quote.

[Bryan Brown]

I've rolled with 2 Blacks. One of the blacks was an older japanese woman and she wasn't even BJJ blue belt caliber technique wise and she was small, besides being relentless in her attack, there was no threat. The other black belt is a long time friend of mine and he's a blue belt in BJJ but mostly because he's ridiculously strong. I'm not going to say their names for their sake. Both of them can toss me around with their eyes closed (maybe not the lady) but once it's on the ground, it's my turn. Believe me or not, doesn't matter to me.

Are you female? I'm just a white belt in Judo but only a blue belt in Jiu jitsu, I would love to roll some time and get owned, since I'm nowhere near Black belt in either style should be cake for you. Ever plan on coming to HQ?

[Jack LaBarge]

You gve me massive headaches lol if you think bruce lee is a fraud than that shows how much you know about him.

DON'T PUT WORD'S IN MY MOUTH! I've forgotten more information about Bruce than you would ever know about him.lol Bruce Lee is the most influential Martial Artist EVER!!! His philosophies and strategies on fighting were way ahead of his time!! I liked his movies too! BUT...when you talk about Bruce Lee the fighter or Baddest man on the planet. PLEASE...NEVER COMPETED...DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT 2 FIGHTS...AGAINST WHO? 130# to 150#. Yes, Joe Lewis was respectful, but said Bruce was movie star. Its funny when people tell you how Bruce would kick everybody's ass. What would they base it on...actual fights they seen from him..There is none. Because he very fast. So that tells you he had good chin, etc... Bruce Lee the fighter is all based on peoples speculations not facts!!..NO FACTS! Yes, Bruce was Great.....But as fighter its all opinions based on no fights!

[Jack LaBarge]

ok first it's important to clear the fact up that martial arts have evolved ALOT since lee's time. And it's true that bruce lee did not know how to fight on the ground the way people do today. But saying he did not know how to fight is ridiculous.

using one fighter's quote to blanket everything about bruce lee is not a smart thing to do. Using that logic, I can use chuck norris' quote ("I would be no match for Lee in a real fight") as a blanket statement too. Remember Chuck Norris retired as an undefeated karate champion.

Also, John little documented and witnessed bruce lee's physical feats. Plus it's not hard to find footage of his ridiculous strength.


Also I found a couple succesful competitors in the JKD lineage. Let's see there was Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Eric Paulson. Then there is Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Yori Nakamura. Also, Bruce Lee was a highschool boxing champ. He also got into a streetfight with a gang member in 1959 and broke his arm. He also knocked out a karate black belt in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle reffed by Jesse glover. So he did compete. He also beat an extra in an onset fight of enter the Dragon when the extra kept taunting him and saying he was an actor, not a fighter. There were also many witnesses for this fight.

so ya. you can't use a quote from Joe Lewis as a blanket statement. That's like saying all republicans are stupid because Bill oreilly is, or all liberals are liars because Micheal Moore is. It's important to look at the details and not jump to conclusions from a single objective quote.

Chuck Norris was being respectful to Bruce Lee! Chuck made some nice cash from the movie fight they had. Joe Lewis said it took him a while to figure out how Bruce did some of those lifts. It was a "trick" technique. Don't talk about fights with extras on the movie set . Here say and what was that extra's fight credential was he undefeated....Eric Paulson didn't win his fights on just Jeet kune do...

[JoshT]

Royce by RNC

[Isaiah Mendoza]

Chuck Norris was being respectful to Bruce Lee! Chuck made some nice cash from the movie fight they had. Joe Lewis said it took him a while to figure out how Bruce did some of those lifts. It was a "trick" technique. Don't talk about fights with extras on the movie set . Here say and what was that extra's fight credential was he undefeated....Eric Paulson didn't win his fights on just Jeet kune do...

Please reread what I said abot blanket statements. JKD is not a rigid martial arts system. it's the philosophy that you should absorb what is useful regardless of what it is. JKD is not a rigid martial art. No one wins fights with one martial art alone these days anyway. So chuck norris was being respectful to bruce lee? so why can't you turn that logic around say joe lewis was being disrespectful? They did after all have a falling out didn't they? Really so what is the trick to doing 2 finger pushups?

You would have made a great point about that extra if that was the only person Bruce Lee had beaten.

[Isaiah Mendoza]

as far as royce vs lee, royce would definently win. Bruce Lee just did not have enough knowledge of bjj or newaza judo.

[Patrick Carey]

his wikipedia says nothing about a black belt in judo and says he fought a couple times so, if its wrong change it.

random street fights against unproven opponents doesn't mean much to me. I've beat up people in street fights, that just means I was better than some random untrained people..he has nothing to prove he is an actual top fighter

[Patrick Carey]

ok first it's important to clear the fact up that martial arts have evolved ALOT since lee's time. And it's true that bruce lee did not know how to fight on the ground the way people do today.

Bjj was around in brazil. Muay thai was not ever hidden.

But saying he did not know how to fight is ridiculous.

Bruce could fight, but he was no world class fighter for his day. Not by a long shot.

using one fighter's quote to blanket everything about bruce lee is not a smart thing to do. Using that logic, I can use chuck norris' quote ("I would be no match for Lee in a real fight") as a blanket statement too. Remember Chuck Norris retired as an undefeated karate champion.

I just don't know why someone of bruce's mythical status not wanting to try pro boxing. or kickboxing. chuck norris even said how bruce wasn't very adapt at kicking to the head when he first started training with him (not that he couldn't do it at all) and chuck's tkd really helped him with that.

Also, John little documented and witnessed bruce lee's physical feats. Plus it's not hard to find footage of his ridiculous strength.

IMO there's too many embellished "reports" to get a gauge of what we was truly capable of. I wouldn't believe many of the documentary things or "sources" that are out there. Sure, family and friends do know about him and have 'heard' reports about his feats but I don't think many of them have seen them in person and the ones that they did see were not impossibly insane as what everyone is suggesting.

Also I found a couple succesful competitors in the JKD lineage.

Let's see there was Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Eric Paulson.

Eric Paulson has had over 30 teachers. He's trained martial arts for 40 years.

Then there is Bruce Lee>Dan Insosanto>Yori Nakamura.

Also had a large number of instructors.

Also, Bruce Lee was a highschool boxing champ.

Sorry, but that means nothing of his boxing abilities. Just means he had some.

He also got into a streetfight with a gang member in 1959 and broke his arm.

this doesn't really mean anything. gangmembers aren't exactly top notch mma fighters, now or ever.

He also knocked out a karate black belt in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle reffed by Jesse glover.

Jesse glover was the only witness? How fitting that his student (and someone that makes money off of bruce lee's name) would perpetuate something like this.

So he did compete. He also beat an extra in an onset fight of enter the Dragon when the extra kept taunting him and saying he was an actor, not a fighter. There were also many witnesses for this fight.

I hardly consider beating up extras on movie sets competition for someone that is supposedly unbeatable.

so ya. you can't use a quote from Joe Lewis as a blanket statement. That's like saying all republicans are stupid because Bill oreilly is, or all liberals are liars because Micheal Moore is. It's important to look at the details and not jump to conclusions from a single objective quote.

Michael Moore is not a liar

[Isaiah Mendoza]

Bjj was around in brazil. Muay thai was not ever hidden.

Bruce could fight, but he was no world class fighter for his day. Not by a long shot.


I just don't know why someone of bruce's mythical status not wanting to try pro boxing. or kickboxing. chuck norris even said how bruce wasn't very adapt at kicking to the head when he first started training with him (not that he couldn't do it at all) and chuck's tkd really helped him with that.



IMO there's too many embellished "reports" to get a gauge of what we was truly capable of. I wouldn't believe many of the documentary things or "sources" that are out there. Sure, family and friends do know about him and have 'heard' reports about his feats but I don't think many of them have seen them in person and the ones that they did see were not impossibly insane as what everyone is suggesting.


Eric Paulson has had over 30 teachers. He's trained martial arts for 40 years.

Also had a large number of instructors.
Sorry, but that means nothing of his boxing abilities. Just means he had some.


this doesn't really mean anything. gangmembers aren't exactly top notch mma fighters, now or ever.


Jesse glover was the only witness? How fitting that his student (and someone that makes money off of bruce lee's name) would perpetuate something like this.


I hardly consider beating up extras on movie sets competition for someone that is supposedly unbeatable.



Michael Moore is not a liar

please quote me where I said bruce lee was unbeatable. I just was saying that he had talent as a fighter, and making the point that everything about bruce lee is not "bullshit". In fact if you take a second to look back at my previous comments you will clearly see that I picked royce as the winner between the two. Also I never once said that bruce lee would do well against a top tier mma fighter I'm struggling to see where you got that from. And yes bjj existed but it and muy thai were not even close to the level of popularity and most people did not see their effectiveness in application in lee's time as they do today. Also during that his time the idea of combining the two really did not exist although it probably would have if lee had discovered them. So martial arts has evolved. And I'm not sure why Bruce Lee didn't pursue a professional career in fighting. That's something you'd have to ask him. My best guess is the movie industry was a better source of income with the added benefit of less harm being inflicted on the body.

and Michael Moore makes a lot of great points and his intentions are great, much more constructive than bill o'reilly's but he has been known to embellish the facts on his documentaries, sometimes creating his own. I think we should start a new thread if we talk about that though.