throws and takedowns at the worlds..not..

[TrajdenKane]

I am a huge fan of BJJ and 10th planet JJ..but I am a blackbelt in Judo. I can not believe at the BJJ worlds (and I watched the whole thing) how few throw or takedown attempts there actually were. It seemed like a battle of who could pull guard or half guard first..even at the black belt level. If that is what modern BJJ has come to, they will become irrelevant when they make the transition to MMA..you gotta have takedowns. Half of the black belt matches had both guys pulling guard simultaneously, sitting and staring at each other, and then leg wrestling each other..wtf..

[Salami]

I pondered similar thoughts there.

[Jason Mallory]

I would agree that BJJ competitors that do not have good takedown/defense as well as good striking from stand-up can become irrelevant in MMA.

[Daniel Patrick]

Exactly. Very little striking as well.

[AJ Camacho]

It feels that over a hundred years ago, that Jigoro Kano felt the same way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo
Newaza effectiveness and ease of learning by smaller opponents started to change the way judo matches evolved. It was easy to train a Judoka in newaza (ground fighting) and have him stop the most fit opponent from a rival school, so Kodokan Judo started to be dominated by newaza fighting. Over time there was so much emphasis was on newaza, due to its success in competition, that Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, introduced new rules limiting the amount of time the judoka could stay on the ground.

I totally agree with you that takedowns are a huge blind spot in sports BJJ however it's just not the point of sport BJJ. Try looking at the issue the other way, why must you try to take someone down with a throw at all?

[Chris Herzog]

It feels that over a hundred years ago, that Jigoro Kano felt the same way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo
Newaza effectiveness and ease of learning by smaller opponents started to change the way judo matches evolved. It was easy to train a Judoka in newaza (ground fighting) and have him stop the most fit opponent from a rival school, so Kodokan Judo started to be dominated by newaza fighting. Over time there was so much emphasis was on newaza, due to its success in competition, that Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, introduced new rules limiting the amount of time the judoka could stay on the ground.

I totally agree with you that takedowns are a huge blind spot in sports BJJ however it's just not the point of sport BJJ. Try looking at the issue the other way, why must you try to take someone down with a throw at all?

For the record that above statement is bullshit, Kano never put a time limit on ground fighting. That was the IJF years after Kano died. Kano was a proponent of keeping Judo well rounded and encouraged both Newaza (ground techniques) and Tachiwaza (standing techniques).

[AJ Camacho]

Yeah, I was wondering about that. There was no citation to it and all linked articles were missing. So how much of this Kosen Judo stuff is true and how does it relate with the actual timeline? Or when exactly did Newaza fall out of favor and were there specific people behind the rule change?

[J Grooms]

Coach Herzog droppin knowledge!! .... and for the record, I love takedowns, I wish they was more prevalent in modern bjj.

[Danny Stolfi]

If MMA is their goal, then yes they should work takedowns. But for BJJ competition, pulling guard works just fine for getting it to the ground asap.

[Muhammad Abdou]

imo the only reason why pulling guard is so prevalent in comps is because they don't allow slamming in guard.. for some reason...
honestly i dont understand why they dont. you're allowed to go for maximum impact hip throws but you have to be as gentle as possible the moment someone wraps their legs around you?