I only did a X on my fore arm. It started as me cutting it into it, but i didn't like how it was healing. So I heated some metal in the same shape and branded it. Its not to bad training with it since its not that big. My friends brand was a lot bigger, I basically used a wood burner type set up lol. It took forever, he says it hurt like hell too. His says "Joy" but it is in hebrew I believe?