I went here with my kids and wife so i was heck of time to just control them during the tourney..lol i got pics of me and it sucked i couldn get vids ,but my wife had are 3 kids to control and i didnt know anyone from here as we were 6 hrs away from charlotte nc ...! i did tack the back from someone in the turtle postion and he was like what was that...i said go to 10th palnet jj.com and see .lol