Aoki's Victim Finally Ready to Return Twenty Months After Shocking Injury

Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

thats a true moron. willing to let his arm get broken before admitting defeat. and aokis fucking will to break it is beast.

There, I fixed it.

Originally Posted by Bryan Brown

There, I fixed it.

guess that would make Renzo gracie a moron for not tapping to sakabura, or Tim Silva a moron for not tapping to Mir, or helio gracie a moron for not tapping to kimura.

Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

guess that would make Renzo gracie a moron for not tapping to sakabura, or Tim Silva a moron for not tapping to Mir, or helio gracie a moron for not tapping to kimura.

Sylvia couldn't have known his arm would break the pressure was not on his elbow so that's a freak accident, Renzo, didn't even know his elbow was dislocated and didn't even have time to tap if he wanted. Helio, Yes he should have tapped 100% he was out weighed by 80lbs against Kimura and was owned but lasted 12 min with the best in the world at the time, so that in it's self is amazing.

I will say this though, I'm glad Helio didn't tap, because of the possible butterfly effect it may have had on Jiu jitsu today. If he tapped maybe Eddies doesn't meet Royler in the 1st place and 10th planet is never even born.

Originally Posted by Bryan Brown

Sylvia couldn't have known his arm would break the pressure was not on his elbow so that's a freak accident, Renzo, didn't even know his elbow was dislocated and didn't even have time to tap if he wanted. Helio, Yes he should have tapped 100% he was out weighed by 80lbs against Kimura and was owned but lasted 12 min with the best in the world at the time, so that in it's self is amazing.

Renzo actually publicly stated he chose not to tap.

http://www.bjjweekly.com/bjj-lifesty...mes-never.html

oh ya and I forgot Kyra gracie and Lana Stefanac.

I think it's a gracie thing. A lot of them are straight up warriors.

Maybe, but if you watch the Renzo vs Skuraba it happened so fast he wouldn't have been able to tap anyways. But the Aoki fight is so much different and brutal, should have tapped IMO, He gained nothing from not tapping, in fact he lost two years of his life because of it.

Originally Posted by Bryan Brown

Maybe, but if you watch the Renzo vs Skuraba it happened so fast he wouldn't have been able to tap anyways. But the Aoki fight is so much different and brutal, should have tapped IMO, He gained nothing from not tapping, in fact he lost two years of his life because of it.

happens all the time. Aoki said in an interview (I think it was Budo challenge) that losing is worse than death to him. He's never been subbed in an mma fight. If he were in the same position he probably would have done the same thing. why is it that when helio doesen't tap no one calls him an idiot but when some other guy doesen't he's a moron? isn't that a bit of a double standard?

guess what... theres nothing "heroic" about refusing to tap, if you're going to lose anyway.
if you manage to escape an armbar with some damage but with hope to win the fight, as with conor heun, you could call that heroic or whatever.
allowing your limbs to be snapped just for the sake of your pride or some stupid family tradition, now that's just stupid. either way, the ref is going to jump in and declare you a loser. all you'd prove by not tapping is that you're a sore loser.
and you cant really compare todays mma fighters to helio gracie. helio was trying to prove his style of bjj to the world so it was more than just winning or losing for him.

Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

happens all the time. Aoki said in an interview (I think it was Budo challenge) that losing is worse than death to him. He's never been subbed in an mma fight. If he were in the same position he probably would have done the same thing. why is it that when helio doesen't tap no one calls him an idiot but when some other guy doesen't he's a moron? isn't that a bit of a double standard?

I do think it was stupid of Helio to not tap, I said that. No double standard. Did you read my post? I promise when Helio got his shoulder and arm ripped apart there were a lot of Japanese people thinking "Wow, that guy is an idiot." Anyways, I was joking when I "fixed" your comment, that's how I feel. You are never going to convince me otherwise. If you feel different that's ok too. Accidents happen, but when someone gives you the option of giving up, and you blatantly don't, I think it like saying go fuck yourself and all I can say is have fun in physical therapy....

Originally Posted by Bryan Brown

Sylvia couldn't have known his arm would break the pressure was not on his elbow so that's a freak accident, Renzo, didn't even know his elbow was dislocated and didn't even have time to tap if he wanted. Helio, Yes he should have tapped 100% he was out weighed by 80lbs against Kimura and was owned but lasted 12 min with the best in the world at the time, so that in it's self is amazing.

dude big lol helio only had a 15-20 pound disadvantage, not 80