Nate Marquardt Speaks ...

[Jason Mallory]

[charlie]

Sounds like he is still hiding something, by the way he is telling the story. Is it just me or do you agree ?

[lates85]

Sounds like he is still hiding something, by the way he is telling the story. Is it just me or do you agree ?

not really....they are just dancing around words... "treatment" "tests" "levels".....his testosterone was high because the "treatment" aka steroids (hormone replacement therapy) he had been legally taking through his doctor wasn't cleared through the athletic commission based on those levels..

[Brent Smith]

Sounds like he is still hiding something, by the way he is telling the story. Is it just me or do you agree ?

I agree. Something isn't adding up

[Ehsan_Karam]

I don't care where his levels were at fight time. This shit is cheating like a mutherfucker!
Just because you cycle off doesn't mean shit, during your whole camp you were able to train harder and recover faster than you would have been otherwise.

[AndyK5]

Dana white says he is disgusted with him, he would not say he is disgusted with him due to a failed steroid test or a bogus test replacement therapy. So yeah he is hiding something for sure.

[RichardC]

I don't care where his levels were at fight time. This shit is cheating like a mutherfucker!
Just because you cycle off doesn't mean shit, during your whole camp you were able to train harder and recover faster than you would have been otherwise.

Not being combative, I promise. Just asking a question that I want answered from your perspective.

Against what is Nate Marquardt cheating? Just the ruleset proposed by the Athletic Commission? In that regard, yes, I guess he would be cheating. But the way that most people flip out about steroids, I often get the impression that they think steroids are cheating against an ideal of human purity, natural athleticism, or some other abstract concept... However, those parameters are hard to defend, because it would cast into question ANY sort of performance-enhancer. Caffeine, for example, masks your body's perception of fatigue. Creatine has been proven in research to add an average of 10% to all lifts. It is also theorized that high-repetition squats cause a spike in testosterone production. So where should the commission draw the line?

Furthermore, I have a hard time seeing who or what steroids really, directly harm, other than (at times) the athlete himself/herself. I think that should be the real concern, and not its validity as a moral or immoral action.

Your thoughts? Seriously just asking... I'm a strength coach, and have never used any hormonal PEDs, but I work with and train with and compete with a ton of guys who have.

[Jason Mallory]

You can check out the whole interview at the link below. I feel for the guy, he gets all chocked up at one point.

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-newsroom.html

[The kza]

Not being combative, I promise. Just asking a question that I want answered from your perspective.

Against what is Nate Marquardt cheating? Just the ruleset proposed by the Athletic Commission? In that regard, yes, I guess he would be cheating. But the way that most people flip out about steroids, I often get the impression that they think steroids are cheating against an ideal of human purity, natural athleticism, or some other abstract concept... However, those parameters are hard to defend, because it would cast into question ANY sort of performance-enhancer. Caffeine, for example, masks your body's perception of fatigue. Creatine has been proven in research to add an average of 10% to all lifts. It is also theorized that high-repetition squats cause a spike in testosterone production. So where should the commission draw the line?

Furthermore, I have a hard time seeing who or what steroids really, directly harm, other than (at times) the athlete himself/herself. I think that should be the real concern, and not its validity as a moral or immoral action.

Your thoughts? Seriously just asking... I'm a strength coach, and have never used any hormonal PEDs, but I work with and train with and compete with a ton of guys who have.

excellent point, considering this forum is full of people who believe that pot is an 'enhancer' as well, and I know for damn sure another 50% of those people or more smoke before they roll.

[Frank R.]

His testosterone levels were above a limit set forth by the athletic commission. Anything above would be considered not within the rules set by the athletic commission like you say. If his testosterone levels were low to begin with and he needed this so called therapy then the treatment should only bring his levels back to normal levels, not spike them well above the allowed amount. He was above the threshhold, therefore cheating.