Nate Marquardt Speaks ...

[RichardC]

His testosterone levels were above a limit set forth by the athletic commission. Anything above would be considered not within the rules set by the athletic commission like you say. If his testosterone levels were low to begin with and he needed this so called therapy then the treatment should only bring his levels back to normal levels, not spike them well above the allowed amount. He was above the threshhold, therefore cheating.

In that sense, absolutely. No arguments there, and I appreciate your response.

I'm thinking more of the underlying issue, though.

[RichardC]

Some food for thought...

I have a client, in real life, that tore his labrum at work. Caught a water heater full of water while up on a ladder.

He began training with me to help rehab his shoulder, but continued to have problems. Of his own accord, he went and bought a very mild prohormone (legal), and did one cycle of it. Same substance as an old designer steroid called Promagnon-25. After he finished his cycle, along with the exercises we were doing, his doctor cleared him for full work duty. His shoulder went from 80% disability to 1%, according to the doctor.

Is that dude a cheater? Or does this just apply to athletes?

[Bryan Brown]

Some food for thought...

I have a client, in real life, that tore his labrum at work. Caught a water heater full of water while up on a ladder.

He began training with me to help rehab his shoulder, but continued to have problems. Of his own accord, he went and bought a very mild prohormone (legal), and did one cycle of it. Same substance as an old designer steroid called Promagnon-25. After he finished his cycle, along with the exercises we were doing, his doctor cleared him for full work duty. His shoulder went from 80% disability to 1%, according to the doctor.

Is that dude a cheater? Or does this just apply to athletes?

Just applies to athletes that are in competition IMO.

[Corky]

Haha look at this guy trying to be like my boy chael

[RichardC]

Just applies to athletes that are in competition IMO.

Cool. Now we're having a discussion!

I appreciate your response.

[Michael "Mikey" Bunten]

Just applies to athletes that are in competition IMO.

I agree.

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

"He got caught..." "He ran out of time..."

I think it went like this in Nate's head, "Chael started using testosterone "therapeutically" and beat me maybe I could use it the same way from my doctor and that will get me over the top to win a championship."

[Corky]

He will nvr be as good as chaEl

[Corky]

He will nvr be as good as chael

[bobby rivers]

I would love to be on approved doctor supervised HRT. I would. Apparently a vast majority of pros does it one way or another so they're might be a pattern. And yes, its all about recovery time. More hard training in a shorter amount of time equals more results.

What I wanna know is did they start doin it at the top or use it to get to the top? Then keep doin it just more sophisticated. I bet the latter.

I dont for the record, but plan to when my body naturally declines.