The Hangmen: Using 10th Planet with the Gi

[marvell banks]

i agree with renato helio wore gi and thats enough for me jiu jitsu with out a gi is great but on street people were cloths jackets with collars and such so with that i say train both ways gi and no gi never put gi away completely

[Budo_Jake]

My philosophy is that life is short so do what you enjoy.
If you like nogi do that.
If you like the gi than do that.
If you like both (like I do) than do both.

I think some people get turned off in the gi early on because you can't move as freely as you can without the gi. Also there is a lot more to learn so that can be frustrating as well. But if you persevere you might find that the I can be a lot of fun. Not to mention that your training options are much broader if you train both. Im in japan right now and there is no nogi around here at all. At least not in cold months.

[nate1281]

Now you can see that 10th planet gonna work better with the Gi. But one day my friend,you gonna see that everythings work better with the Gi. Thats why. Because the Gi is the foundation. Thats Jiu-Jitsu.

I believe in Renato Laranja.

[leach_jeffrey]

I don't employ the 10th Planet 'system', but I use a lot of the 10th Planet techniques, and I found that they work fine. There are also a lot of gi only submission and sweep opportunities that branch from the 10th Planet techs.

For example, from the lockdown, I use a baseball choke set up from the bottom that perfectly complements the 10th Planet moves, when someone tries to defend the whip-up/electric chair by dropping their hips.

For those not familiar with the baseball choke I'll try to explain:

Imagine I'm locking someone down on my left side, so that their free leg is on my right. They know I want to whip up and they are concerned about the electric chair, so they drop their hips, and base out the leg. It can be difficult to get much going from here.

Untuck their gi on your right side and pass the bottom corner of their lapel over their shoulders and overgrip it with your left hand (over their right shoulder which is on your left side). Then reach up over their left shoulder (your right side), with your right hand and undergrip the lapel. At this point you should have one forearm on each side of their neck. Then you squeeze your elbows together while twisting onto your left side.

Be sure to release the lockdown once you have your hands in place, because you want them to try to pass, it only makes the choke stronger.

This is an extremely tight and quick choke, so you need to pay attention to your partner. This is one of the choke that can make someone go unconscience before they can tap.

HERE IS AN IDEA: Maybe Renato can show some gi only moves that branch from positions that 10th Planet people often find themselves in.

[kyleAkemp]

its crazy to hear alot of people are doing this. A few people and I at the gym have very recently started tying in the gi.

[Preston Bludworth]

Are you talking about how Braulio Estima works the gi? (is no Rubber Guard w/o the legs) But I do know what your talking about, the biggest prob with the gi is, you get used to/dependant on grips/moves/tech that may not be there in the "real" situation... (if they don't have on a jacket or a gi) Just my $.02

Living in Idaho, more than likely if a "real?" fight situation breaks out, the person will be wearing a jacket. It is very cold here about 8 months a year. Jacket=Gi. Gi training is VERY applicable in a street fight.

[rock d]

I think the gi almost forces you to use nothing but sleeve pulling and collar choking. It makes arm triangles and rubber guard more difficult and less fun, specifically because there is sooooooo much fabric to push through and deal with. With the gi I find it pointless to do any submission other than collar chokes.

[Bill Keeling]

Living in Idaho, more than likely if a "real?" fight situation breaks out, the person will be wearing a jacket. It is very cold here about 8 months a year. Jacket=Gi. Gi training is VERY applicable in a street fight.

What do you do at the Beach, or during the summer, or surfing. You get a split sec behind the game, because your natural "grips"aren't there... Behind a split sec in sport JJ or MMA= a loss. In the street= alot worse. My experience, not just $.02.
I am not bashing the Gi, I train both, as I believe everyone should.
BTW, Idaho =8 months of cold weather a year = F ALL THAT SHIATE!! Keep the spirit and KEEP TRAINING HARD!

[Bill Keeling]

I think the gi almost forces you to use nothing but sleeve pulling and collar choking. It makes arm triangles and rubber guard more difficult and less fun, specifically because there is sooooooo much fabric to push through and deal with. With the gi I find it pointless to do any submission other than collar chokes.

Nonesense! I roll in the Gi with NoGi grips almost all of the time... It's a great handicap to give your opp for training! My Guilotine,Triangle, Arm Bar, RNC's are deadly! No-Gi or Gi! Ask anyone on here or elsewhere that has rolled with me You know you're good at a technique when your opp knows it's coming and they can't do anything to stop it!

[Enrique "Kiko"]

Nonesense! I roll in the Gi with NoGi grips almost all of the time... It's a great handicap to give your opp for training! My Guilotine,Triangle, Arm Bar, RNC's are deadly! No-Gi or Gi! Ask anyone on here or elsewhere that has rolled with me You know you're good at a technique when your opp knows it's coming and they can't do anything to stop it!

Can I have some of your deadly Guillotine, Triangle, and RNC skills please =D.