am i within my right?

[Logan Cook]

HAHA this! I wasn't aware that anyone needed permission to use 10th PJJ moves at non 10th PJJ schools lol. I'm just picturing air raid sirens going off every time someone goes to rubber guard at non 10th PJJ schools now haha.

[Chris Herzog]

I tried to email eddie first but I didn't know how. Said his mailbox was full

Really?... You didn't know how to send and e-mail, a PM or post a thread asking how you can get in contact with eddie, you have a private issue you need to dicscusss regarding an affiliation/hotbox question?

Neither parties are in the right, and this could have been handled way diffrent.

[Jared Gammel]

I'm going to go down in my basement and do some 10th planet techniques today with some people. If you don't like it, come at me bros. But, seriously..

Neither parties are in the right, and this could have been handled way diffrent.

Coming in and saying your instructors ranking intentions about others, disgruntled or not, is just as bad as what the Op is doing. Don't act the bigger man and then not be it.

[Joe Durham]

They angered me. I didn't realize that's what they thought of me there. I had no idea. I thought they were upset I left but I thought that was that. I didn't know it was deeper than that. Ill apologize to gary. He didn't really say anything that was mean. Just questioning why I would do this at my house and not at the gym. Joe hurt my feelings.

You angered me too Kyle...and I dropped down in age about 10 yrs or so and started running my mouth off...worst part is it was on our family forum where the world can see it and it made us both look tarded....I am not one to get into drama, but I am one to defend my words. Lets just drop it, move on, and train hard. My apologies to all.

[StephenG]

....Can't......stop......reading..this..........da mn......thread!!!!!

[Jay Chow]

In my opinion:

You should be able to practice the moves at your house, for sure, 100%. For free, and with a friend, there's no harm. But attempting to open up a Hotbox, no way. That's super disrespectful to Gary and his students and you should avoid it. You may be broke, but I'd still advise training with Gary, your game won't get better otherwise.

You say he has no understanding of BJJ fundamentals, but you don't know that in the slightest, because you do not understand the basics of BJJ either. Someone may have trash talked him but you're a fool for believing it, Eddie wouldn't let him run a school if he couldn't teach the basics.

10th Planet is widely seen as a system that involves too much advanced stuff and not enough basics, but that's only the books. The 10th Planet SYSTEM overall has evolved so much and encompasses styles from Marcelo to Jeff Glover to Popovitch to the Gracies to the 10th Planet unique moves. Learning basics is priority and too many people think that Eddie isn't aware of this.

To end this ridiculous argument, you should be able to train with a friend in your house, but you can't be an instructing member of the team unless you move away from Indy, that's only respectful to Gary. My biggest tip to you is to forget teaching, get a job and start learning BJJ properly. You're a white belt with the opportunity to train at a 10th Planet school, hotboxes are there for a reason because they have nowhere closer to train.

[StephenG]

My biggest tip to you is to forget teaching, get a job and start learning BJJ properly. You're a white belt with the opportunity to train at a 10th Planet school, hotboxes are there for a reason because they have nowhere closer to train.

Hell Yes! I hope you realize the scrutiny that those of us without
a 10th Planet school have to endure everyday at our gyms.
You have the great opportunity here to set aside your differences
and train in one of the greatest no gi grappling systems around.

I constantly have to hear 10th Planet downplayed, and that's
by people who are mostly accepting of the system.

Take advantage of your opportunities and set personal issues
aside...both of you, and jesus, is it that damn hard to get along
at a gym while you train for something you both love?
After training, no one says you gotta be buddies.

*Shit, I got sucked into this thing also.

[kyleAkemp]

You angered me too Kyle...and I dropped down in age about 10 yrs or so and started running my mouth off...worst part is it was on our family forum where the world can see it and it made us both look tarded....I am not one to get into drama, but I am one to defend my words. Lets just drop it, move on, and train hard. My apologies to all.

I agree. sorry. You really were the greatest 10th planet training partner for me. all this time that i havent been at the gym i never once thought any bad thoughts of you. and honestly this past 24 hours has sucked.

[Adam Martin]

Fuck me for reading this nonsense.

[ifreez]

I agree we do not need this negative energy on here, but I also feel obligated now to get the truth out there because honestly this guy is a joker!

For the record 10th Planet Indy has no problem with someone repping 10th Planet JJ or creating a hotbox. Of course as long as it falls under Eddie's rules. Kyle left our gym when we were going thru rough times and struggling to keep our affiliation alive. He was purely and simply focused on getting his blue belt within a year. He said this many times. As soon as he heard Gary might have to close up for awhile he started looking for other gyms to go to...no problem...more power to ya. But all the 10th planet indy guys except him stayed with Gary, stuck it out, trained our asses off when we could, and made it happen and stay alive. We are now at a gym with state of the art training equipment, mats, Gary's got his cage back up, and we have tons of new classes in the mix. Kyle is young and has a major arrogance/ego problem. He often bragged in class on his match wins and just recently posted on his Facebook page about how he tapped out an mma guy in class like he was some billy bad ass....no problem....more power to ya. But we all felt he honestly left the gym because Gary never promoted him to blue. Why? Not because his skill wasn't there but Gary just doesn't hand our belts and Gary said he didn't think Kyle realized yet the true meanings behind jiu jitsu and martial arts in general....its not just about getting the tap! He was on Facebook saying he was going to start up a Hotbox, yet he lives within 30 miles from our gym??? He says a lot of stuff to boast himself and make himself look cool on the Facebook...end of story!

And ya wonda why we call ya bitch and ya wonda while we call ya bitch...i betcha

Wait a sec. Isn't Gary a blue? Don't know if he told you, but he can't give belts as a blue. Did he get promoted to purple?