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    The conclusion that I've arrived at from research and experience is that God is real. What/who He is exactly still slips my grasp. I still have a ton of questions. So does science. Why are we the only planet with life for millions of light years? How did we evolve in such a short period of time? Are there other dimensions? Can we access them? The list goes on. In the end, I conclude that it's either luck, God, or aliens. To me, I feel like it's a mix of the last two. God does exist and what we call aliens now, ancient civilizations called angels, demons, gods, etc.
    I agree completely. But my point isn't that God exists or not, but the choice that I can either follow ONE group who think they are right, or try and take the best out of every religion and make myself a better person rather than be part of group that don't condone other religions or others for not believing in anything. That's what the highest belief of Christianity is, and most other religions too other than Buddhism and such like it that promote believing in what you feel, rather than in what a book of metaphors written by people more misguided than we are today with unbelievable stories that literally are that, unbelievable.

    When it comes to it, the fact is we don't know what's there and we probably won't know until we are dead. But I like to believe there are multiverses and different dimensions, and that psychedelic trips that are visualizations possibly similar to those when you die, which could lead you to believe that when people say angels, they mean the geometric patterns that you see when you are tripping balls. A higher state of consciousness. That seems more like a "heaven" to me than sitting on a cloud in human form, they just didn't have the language to describe it back then.
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    Its a book Kiko. Written by humans. I put your "god" over with the "Scientology" group.

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    You have no damn clue. I have a huge client base here so I am constantly battling between my lack of filter between my brain and my mouth and my desire to continue having a healthy relationship with my customers. It's hard when, in conversation, one might say "be sure your kid says his prayers" not to tell them to go fuck themselves for being so presumptuous about my beliefs.
    But it seems to be getting better for us. We found an Atheist/Humanist group here so we aren't completely alone and I tend to keep a distance from outsiders anyway so a large peer group isn't necessary for us to function and be happy.

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    Or...when you die there's nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge View Post
    Or...when you die there's nothing.
    Can you imagine that? I'm not ruling it out though, but that would be pretty sucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Chow View Post
    Can you imagine that? I'm not ruling it out though, but that would be pretty sucky
    Yes, but you'd never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge View Post
    Its a book Kiko. Written by humans. I put your "god" over with the "Scientology" group.
    You're 100% correct Jack. And it possibly can be 100% made up by humans without a single shred of evidence *much like any other religion,* but if I'm going to buy into some crazy bat$#!+ religion, and they all are bat$#!+ crazy, I'm going to pick the one with a Heaven that has BOTH a beer volcano and a stripper factory and has declared every Friday as a religious holiday and one that has this "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts." Also, you can't beat a religion whose holy garment is full pirate regalia complete with spaghetti strainer/collander for a holy headpiece.

    2. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don’t Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.

    Also, we support gay robot rights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ludington View Post
    Awesome Video....especially the end of it!!!
    Last edited by Jack LaBarge; 09-09-2011 at 08:16 AM.

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    Nice not to feel alone in your beliefs (agnostic) living in the Bible belt. Grew up beleiving all the churches were secret hate cluts, hating other churches cause their not as Christian as us, hating other religous groups cause we're right and your wrong, and today using it to push their polical agenda. Thought it was based on caring for others, but only if you believe like I do.......

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