Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear

[derrick ikwueme]

First of all...I am an atheist. I admit it and I posted this video because I love the idea of a priest calling out the church for fear mongering.

Secondly we can say with confidence that the church did in fact invent hell, just as it literally invented the bible you all read today.

When Europeans canonized the many books that make up today's bible, most of Europe was illiterate. The fact that any modern, educated person can be "Christian" after we have learned about the corrupt process of the canonization of the Christian bible is insane to me.

A group of corrupt, wealthy, educated, super privileged European men sat around and decided what you would learn from these texts and what you wouldn't. There was no oversight. They could add, omit, or straight up delete forever any information they deemed fit. That is the quick history of the bible.

and they deliberatly left out the book of Enoch, whitch is UFO heavy. & the whole bible is just a remix of the sumarian text, but people just can't let go of there indoctrination to controlled madness

[Enrique "Kiko"]

[Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz]

Can't view the list from work...but angels and the devil is definitely in the bible. I've actually bothered to read the thing.

Well if you can do us a favor and actually read the list and not lie about reading the bible because obviously you haven't read it and more like skimmed it ,or you must have read the watered down baby version they hand out at bible camp.

[Jay Chow]

Also, if you don't consider the bible to be the final authority of your Christian faith, why become a Christian?

Evolution. If the student never questions the master, then he can't consider himself open minded. By basing his life on a book written 2000 years ago by people, not by God, he is living life too linear. Why not explore yourself, use the knowledge you have (this doesn't apply to some) and make your OWN decision.

That's probably why a lot more people are starting to see through the bullshit and are atheist/agnostic/non-religious.

[Enrique "Kiko"]

That's probably why a lot more people are starting to see through the bullshit and are atheist/agnostic/non-religious.

Awee Jay, just because I can't prove that The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, because he is undetectable by current technology AND, doesn't mean that he and his noodley appendages don't exist!

Here is a rare cosmic sighting of the FSM as seen from the Hubble telescope.



Praise be to his holy meatballs.

RAmen.

[David Rosado]

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Good post. I feel you.

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LOL'd at the spam.

First of all...I am an atheist. I admit it and I posted this video because I love the idea of a priest calling out the church for fear mongering.

Secondly we can say with confidence that the church did in fact invent hell, just as it literally invented the bible you all read today.

When Europeans canonized the many books that make up today's bible, most of Europe was illiterate. The fact that any modern, educated person can be "Christian" after we have learned about the corrupt process of the canonization of the Christian bible is insane to me.

A group of corrupt, wealthy, educated, super privileged European men sat around and decided what you would learn from these texts and what you wouldn't. There was no oversight. They could add, omit, or straight up delete forever any information they deemed fit. That is the quick history of the bible.

That's where presuppositions come in. You presuppose the bible was written entirely by man with his own agenda and so the texts are corrupt. That priest, considering that he's a Christian, presupposes that God inspired the text. So it makes no sense to say "God inspired this, but man made it up." But that also goes into presuppositions about how sovereign you believe God to be. Not attacking you bro. I'm just saying there are holes in his statement.

and they deliberatly left out the book of Enoch, whitch is UFO heavy. & the whole bible is just a remix of the sumarian text, but people just can't let go of there indoctrination to controlled madness

This is true. Weird how they left it out since the book of Jude clearly references it as a reliable text. Hmmmmm?

Well if you can do us a favor and actually read the list and not lie about reading the bible because obviously you haven't read it and more like skimmed it ,or you must have read the watered down baby version they hand out at bible camp.

I got a chance to read the list. And again, I have read the whole bible. The list confirms angels ARE in the bible; just not the way that catholic artists depicted them. They also confirm that the devil is indeed in the bible. Again, just not the way artists have depicted it. So yeah bro, my statement stands. Seems more like you skimmed the list. Again, no beef. Just saying what it is.

Evolution. If the student never questions the master, then he can't consider himself open minded. By basing his life on a book written 2000 years ago by people, not by God, he is living life too linear. Why not explore yourself, use the knowledge you have (this doesn't apply to some) and make your OWN decision.

That's probably why a lot more people are starting to see through the bullshit and are atheist/agnostic/non-religious.

Morally, I'm a horrible Christian. But I have done my research. Read into other religious texts. Read into origin theories from science and other religious texts. I've done that. The conclusion that I've arrived at from research and experience is that God is real. What/who He is exactly still slips my grasp. I still have a ton of questions. So does science. Why are we the only planet with life for millions of light years? How did we evolve in such a short period of time? Are there other dimensions? Can we access them? The list goes on. In the end, I conclude that it's either luck, God, or aliens. To me, I feel like it's a mix of the last two. God does exist and what we call aliens now, ancient civilizations called angels, demons, gods, etc.

I've just come accross too much info that doesn't jibe well with history, match and science to NOT believe in God. I can't use the tools that science gives me and conclude we're a cosmic accident.

And I feel that more and more people are "seeing through the BS" because they grow up in school being taught the theory of evolution and no other valid theory. Creationists have valid theories. UFO'logists have valid theories. I've heard the argument, "do you think a child can be trusted to make his own decisions on these things?" That's hypocritical since you're still feeding them ONE theory involuntarily. I believe that if all theories were presented in schools, we'd have more diversity of opinion. Most of the people "seeing through the BS" are basically ingesting and regurgitating what they were given...not what they learned for themselves with an open mind.

The irony of the open mind argument is that it seems people are open to everything except religion. So the accusation of closed mindedness applies just as much to those people as it applies to the people they accuse.


Listen, honestly, I'm not trying to debate. I'm only responding to responses. Giving a different side of the coin, if you will. Don't automatically black list me and have animosity toward me for thinking differently. I've been a part of this board for a while and never shoved my beliefs on anyone. I don't plan on it either. I just felt it was necessary to chime in on that priest since it makes no sense. It would make more sense for an atheist to make that claim.

I hope we're all good. I appreciate all you guy's responses.

[Jack LaBarge]

well religion has nothing to do with what God wants. Religion is man's pursuit of God.

Well what does "God" want? Because who could ever know what he wants since this mythical creature never shows up. If somebody knows what he wants then that person is making up whatever he's got in his head or is basing what "God" wants on books written by men...So you faithful really don't have a relationship with "God"!!!! The faithful have a relationship with a character from a book written by men, so without Religion there's no "God". So someone tell me what "god" wants or thinks without using a book and I want your source!!!!!!!

[Enrique "Kiko"]

God wants us to eat pasta, drink beer, and to increase the world population of pirates in order to reduce and eventually eliminate global warming.

Source: Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster "aka" The Book of Pastafari

http://www.venganza.org/about/

[Chris Ludington]

First of all...I am an atheist. I admit it and I posted this video because I love the idea of a priest calling out the church for fear mongering.

I love you and I want to marry you! And I mean that in the most heterosexual way possible.... Jiu Jitsu and Atheism, two of my biggest passions.

[Jack LaBarge]

I love you and I want to marry you! And I mean that in the most heterosexual way possible.... Jiu Jitsu and Atheism, two of my biggest passions.

It must be hard for you In Alabama!