My 10 Pillars for Jiu Jitsu (1/28/2011):

[David Rosado]

Amazing thread. This white is learning a grip from you guys right now.

i like no. 5 :P

i'd ad: roll roll roll!!!!

I gotta say this is big. Mat time is so important.

Thanks guys! Sean, awesome man. I know Marcelo teaches sub before pos but I get frustrated how guys I know can't even hold a guy in side control to save their lives. If you can weather the storm and hold a position on someone, not only will they gasp out, but they will give you their limb.
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Marcelo can say that because he's marcelo. LOL. And I think what he's saying is basically, always look for the submission as priority 1? I'm just guessing. Because if you're sub before pos, the odds are, if you're not legendary like marcelo, you're going to get reversed and put in a bad position...and then you'll HAVE to think position before sub. LOL.

can someone explain this submission over position and pos over sub stuff quick? like in two example scenarios?

I can give some MMA examples. Position before submission: a great example is Carlos Newton. Sometimes it worked for him. Look up his fight with Pat Militech. Pat gave his back while still standing for a split second and Carlos tied up his neck (he attacked with a submission before he was even on the ground or had hooks in)....but he tied it up so fast that he was able to lock in a schoolboy head lock style choke and get the tap. But if you look at his fight with Sakuraba, he failed repeatedly because he'd jump to a sub without really establishing position and this gave room for Saku to escape every time.

A great position before submission guy is BJ Penn IMO or Roger Gracie. They make sure to secure that position so they control all angles leaving minimal room for escape or reversal. Then they work for the submission.


IMO, when you're a white, you def want to do position before submission. IMO, it doesn't matter if you have the whole encyclopedia of submissions in your brain, you gotta get the basics down pat. I've seen guys that were all subs lose to wrestlers who were all position. You gotta be balanced. Then, when you get to the higher levels, I think it's reasonable to let your philosophy flow with your game. Some high level guys are still about position. Like Roger. Other guys are all about catching you in transitions/scrambles. Others just attack until something sticks. But when you're high level, you can get away with that, I suppose.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm only a white so I'm open to correction anytime.

[Slick Rick]

Amazing thread. This white is learning a grip from you guys right now.




I gotta say this is big. Mat time is so important.



Marcelo can say that because he's marcelo. LOL. And I think what he's saying is basically, always look for the submission as priority 1? I'm just guessing. Because if you're sub before pos, the odds are, if you're not legendary like marcelo, you're going to get reversed and put in a bad position...and then you'll HAVE to think position before sub. LOL.




I can give some MMA examples. Position before submission: a great example is Carlos Newton. Sometimes it worked for him. Look up his fight with Pat Militech. Pat gave his back while still standing for a split second and Carlos tied up his neck (he attacked with a submission before he was even on the ground or had hooks in)....but he tied it up so fast that he was able to lock in a schoolboy head lock style choke and get the tap. But if you look at his fight with Sakuraba, he failed repeatedly because he'd jump to a sub without really establishing position and this gave room for Saku to escape every time.

A great position before submission guy is BJ Penn IMO or Roger Gracie. They make sure to secure that position so they control all angles leaving minimal room for escape or reversal. Then they work for the submission.


IMO, when you're a white, you def want to do position before submission. IMO, it doesn't matter if you have the whole encyclopedia of submissions in your brain, you gotta get the basics down pat. I've seen guys that were all subs lose to wrestlers who were all position. You gotta be balanced. Then, when you get to the higher levels, I think it's reasonable to let your philosophy flow with your game. Some high level guys are still about position. Like Roger. Other guys are all about catching you in transitions/scrambles. Others just attack until something sticks. But when you're high level, you can get away with that, I suppose.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm only a white so I'm open to correction anytime.

Abosolutely Amazing!!! Thank you.

[Slick Rick]

I love both yout posts :P have to work on my positioning, because i usually feeing safe and good on my back. because of that im not good on top or in my opponents guard. gotta work on that...

Thank you Tammo.. the position or technique that you have the most difficulty with, is the position you must start your matches in. For example, if you get caught in a guillotine often, learn the escape, and let your next opponent almost lock in the guillotine when sparring, and go to work. Do this until it becomes second nature to go to your escape when any future opponent tries to get that guillotine.

You must face your weakness head on.

[Brandon Mccaghren]

the position or technique that you have the most difficulty with, is the position you must start your matches in. For example, if you get caught in a guillotine often, learn the escape, and let your next opponent almost lock in the guillotine when sparring, and go to work. Do this until it becomes second nature to go to your escape when any future opponent tries to get that guillotine.

You must face your weakness head on.

I think I love you, Rick.

[Slick Rick]

I think I love you, Rick.

Hahahaha! Is it possible to have man crushes?

[Tammo Haarhuis]

thats what i always do. if i want to work on my guard passes, i get into my opponents guard etc. thats why i think rolling is so important. as david said, a whole bunch of techniques in your head mean nothing if you cant apply them in a match or when rolling. and only whilst rolling you really learn to/and feel the basic (and not so basic) stuff, like t-rexing etc. getting told or showed something is fine, but you have to do it yourself to really get it into your head. so you do it "instinctivly" (is that a word? :P) hope you know what i mean...
a lot of great posts here...

[Jay Chow]

Thank you Tammo.. the position or technique that you have the most difficulty with, is the position you must start your matches in. For example, if you get caught in a guillotine often, learn the escape, and let your next opponent almost lock in the guillotine when sparring, and go to work. Do this until it becomes second nature to go to your escape when any future opponent tries to get that guillotine.

You must face your weakness head on.

Damn, droppin' knowledge! Thanks man, makes sense!

[David Rosado]

Thank you Tammo.. the position or technique that you have the most difficulty with, is the position you must start your matches in. For example, if you get caught in a guillotine often, learn the escape, and let your next opponent almost lock in the guillotine when sparring, and go to work. Do this until it becomes second nature to go to your escape when any future opponent tries to get that guillotine.

You must face your weakness head on.

Yes sir!!! Coach Herzog mentioned some of the guys do this when rolling.

I think I love you, Rick.

LOL

[Riccosantana]

Flexibility is a big to me I need to work on that alot more
A no when it ok to tapout before u be out

[Sean Marshall]

This thread is awesome. You get to take a quick trip through peoples Jiu Jitsu universes. Every-bodies universe is setup differently.