Vinny Magalhaes vs. Werdum ADCC Final(video)

The real question is what Bruce Wayne would have done...

I'm not apologizing. Ever hear of Arm-Chair QB? Comments like that are ACJJ. I'm gonna go ahead and go with the fact that VINNY defended properly, knew what he was doing and not hear some whiney shit from a newbie on how Werdum didn't know what he was doing.
I'm not gonna critique him either, cause guess what...I'm not ADCC material. Werdum nearly won ADCC 2011 HW by armbar in the closing moments, but didn't because of insane competition. Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Kendell Madden

I'm not apologizing. Ever hear of Arm-Chair QB? Comments like that are ACJJ. I'm gonna go ahead and go with the fact that VINNY defended properly, knew what he was doing and not hear some whiney shit from a newbie on how Werdum didn't know what he was doing.
I'm not gonna critique him either, cause guess what...I'm not ADCC material. Werdum nearly won ADCC 2011 HW by armbar in the closing moments, but didn't because of insane competition. Nuff said.

There's nothing to debate. The video is right there. No one said Werdum doesn't know what he's doing, he obviously does but he did the armbar wrong. Unless he has some secret armbar technique where he opens his legs to relieve the pressure so it doesn't work. Pause at 1:22 and tell me that his knees weren't way apart. I could understand if he pinched his knee and isolated the elbow and it didn't work and then he started to try other things but he didn't. Just because someone does ADCC, doesn't mean they can't make mistakes and just because someone is better than you, doesn't mean that they're automatically right and you're wrong about everything.

Also, look at 1:22. Vinny's arm isn't bent back that far. I can bend my arm that far by myself. I get that there are certain things that you can't get perfectly but putting your foot down to the mat and squeezing your knees together are completely in your control. I understand that Werdum was probably spreading his knees out to stop vinny from back rolling but you can't finish the armbar like that.

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

I imagine he knew that the submission wasn't working an quite possibly was trying to bait Vinny into a transition to another submission. I find it hard to believe that a multiple time world and adcc champ just forgot how to perform an armbar properly.

Werdum was switching to the armbar under his armpit but every time he would try it, Vinny would roll his wrist and almost escape and Vinny eventually did escape like that but the armbar at in the beginning where he bridges up and had Vinnys thumb up, that was all on Werdum. Sure, if Werdum's crotch wasn't under Vinny's shoulder and under his elbow instead, he could've broke his arm without isolating the shoulder and spreading his legs out but it was just that combination of legs open, feet not touching the ground and under his shoulder, plus a flexible elbow that made it just enough for Vinny to hold on.

My mates comment on premier league football matches all the time, but neither of them are professional footballers - not even close (some of them will passionately disagree of course)! Are we not allowed to do the same?

Originally Posted by James Steele

My mates comment on premier league football matches all the time, but neither of them are professional footballers - not even close (some of them will passionately disagree of course)! Are we not allowed to do the same?

Are you talking about soccer? No thanks.

Originally Posted by Justin W.

Werdum was switching to the armbar under his armpit but every time he would try it, Vinny would roll his wrist and almost escape and Vinny eventually did escape like that but the armbar at in the beginning where he bridges up and had Vinnys thumb up, that was all on Werdum. Sure, if Werdum's crotch wasn't under Vinny's shoulder and under his elbow instead, he could've broke his arm without isolating the shoulder and spreading his legs out but it was just that combination of legs open, feet not touching the ground and under his shoulder, plus a flexible elbow that made it just enough for Vinny to hold on.

Black belts at that level don't forget the physics of an armbar. That's all.

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Black belts at that level don't forget the physics of an armbar. That's all.

alot of it is mental and i think if you have another top level black belt comming at you that you would forget some littel detail now and again, if you don't your not human.

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Are you talking about soccer? No thanks.

You don't like soccer? Me neither. Why they seem to think that if you can kick a ball into a net means you are worth £millions is beyond me.