Pretty funny thread over on Sherdog

[Taylor Culbertson]

lol at the caterpillar breaking shit down into logic fallacies he learned in Community College in 1912.

[bobby rivers]

Maybe not black yet, but both my belts were won. I won two blue divisions in tournies, got my blue. Won two purple divisions, got my purple. Guess what im gonna have to do to get my brown? probly mma.

And although I cherish my belt and respect others, especially when under badsses, Ive known a couple really,really good white belts that force me not to underestimate anyone, untill they give me reason too besides a 'whitebelt' label. If their knowledge isnt up to par, so be it, then the label fits. But there are several whites around here and on this site that are just misleading.

[Frank R.]

Oh dear, you have a compartmentalized mind. Again an appeal to false authority.

Who gave Leonardo Da Vinci his certificate? Who gave all the greats such as Mozart? Botticelli? Esra, Rumi, Cezanne, Giotto, Raphael, Michelangelo, Tesla, Cantor, Boltzmann and so on a certificate? No one did. They had their own standards far above and beyond systems. These Greats transcended all the limitation of the time. Belts are fashion items for the fashion minded.

Nice job avoiding your statement and listing INDIVIDUALS. Hierarchical systems is how society has evolved, and is the only way it is run today. Individuals have no power then say a group of them being led in an organized manner by a leader. Ranking is everything, a sign of control and influence. For example; your comments as a white belt will be held to a much lesser value on a BJJ technique or subject than if a black belt were to say it. That is fact. If you were to advertise you were doing a seminar, listed as a white belt, how many would show up? Belts and rank matter, like it or not.

[David Rosado]

He broke away from the Gi/peers and develop his own system? He is just as indoctrinated as anybody else when it comes to belts. This an Appeal to False authority at any rate.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/authority

Eddie knows more than I do. He knows more than most of his students. That being the case, he is an authority on the subject. Nothing false about it. But the point still stands that this "heirarchy" allows plenty of room for evolution.

No it does not. Blue belts often have stronger singular submissions as they have fewer tools, were a purple or brown belt will let it go, or use it as a set up.

Awesome, so how is it that a blue will do one thing, and a purple or brown would do something more advanced? Progress? Something that the belts represent?

You just made my point. Lower ranked belts (lesser value) There are no progress belts given by coaches. Those belts are all contest belts. The value was in winning.

The ranking is different. There may be no physical progress belts given by coaches, but a coach does still assess your ability. Especially when they recommend you to go pro. There's still a ranking system. There's still a measure of progress which your teacher assesses. The only difference is that there is no visual marker of progress where in BJJ there is. Either way, there is still what you call a "heirarchy" between student and teacher.

They are still awarded, not won. I can't walk into a BJJ tournament as a wrestler and win a prize of a black belt. Its never happened.

Again, apples an oranges. In BJJ the belt is more a marker of knowledge. A boxing belt is a marker of competition. Both serve their purpose. But each sport is ranked differently.

The world population are ignorant about a great many subjects. Vast parts of the population believe in a Jewish Zombie God.
An Appeal to Mass conformity is not a logical argument.

Vast parts of the world believe in a rip off of judaism invented by a pedophile 500 years after the "zombie god" came around. Vast parts of the world also believe in a huge random explosion that rearragned molecules into complex life forms. Anything can be made to sound stupid.

And I never appealed to mass conformity. Just pointing out your type. You're right. The world's wrong.

Longer than you have been alive.

If we can leave the rest behind....what do you train? What's your lineage? Would you tell your teacher that their belt is worthless? That the marker they used to assess your progress is meaningless?

[David Rosado]

Oh dear, you have a compartmentalized mind. Again an appeal to false authority.

Who gave Leonardo Da Vinci his certificate? Who gave all the greats such as Mozart? Botticelli? Esra, Rumi, Cezanne, Giotto, Raphael, Michelangelo, Tesla, Cantor, Boltzmann and so on a certificate? No one did. They had their own standards far above and beyond systems. These Greats transcended all the limitation of the time. Belts are fashion items for the fashion minded.
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Bad logic is bad. Half of those people trained under someone. Others were just geniuses. The thing is, not everyone can be a born master. So the examples you've given don't quite work. These geniuses become teachers.

Carlos and Helio became teachers. They used belts to assess progress. You don't get a belt for graduating 8th grade, but it still feels like an accomplishment.

I mean, on a side note....how else would you determine progress? If we have competitions, how would we differntiate between the advanced and the novices?

I may quit responding. I'm sure we can all agree you're on some strongly opinionated self righteous type BS. I think I should leave this alone. Pretty sure I'm being trolled.

[Frank R.]

This guy has claimed in another thread he trains at 10th Planet Headquarters yet no one has verified it. It was kind of like people were scared to question it. He has made some bold claims saying he was raving in the 80's during the initial dub step era, then traveling through Europe in the 90s. This would make him about 50 if he was about 20 years old during any of those claims. I think this guy is a fraud and if someone can verify he trains there, I would like to meet this guy as I will be there in a few couple weeks.

In this thread he says he's in the UK: http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...MMA!-Too-funny

Stuff doesn't add up.

[Taylor Culbertson]

It is Scott.

[Jonathan Wylie]

It is Scott.

I think it is Taylor. haha

[Slick Rick]

This guy has claimed in another thread he trains at 10th Planet Headquarters yet no one has verified it. It was kind of like people were scared to question it. He has made some bold claims saying he was raving in the 80's during the initial dub step era, then traveling through Europe in the 90s. This would make him about 50 if he was about 20 years old during any of those claims. I think this guy is a fraud and if someone can verify he trains there, I would like to meet this guy as I will be there in a few couple weeks.

In this thread he says he's in the UK: http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...MMA!-Too-funny

Stuff doesn't add up.

My guess is he's just a lonely fellow. We need these type of guys to balance out the rest of us. This guy I don't feel sorry for tho. Trolling gets you no friends.
How's this for logic:
if(you_troll == true)
{
you_get_no_love_or_respect = true;
I_will_talk_to_you_again = false;
}

[Isaiah Mendoza]

I'm afraid you do not understand what appeal to authority means here.





The context was strength of technique, not advanced knowledge.





Different as in no belts. Coaches are external arbitrary judges of your ability.




Based on fights. Guys can be terrible in the gym, but switch on the pressure, turn on the lights and they find a focus, they put people away in the ring. Your record is your ranking, not any kind of belt. Simulated fights/training is nothing like an actual fight. A Sharpness occurs from the psychological pressure of a fight.



I would say the fight record is the marker.







I hate to split hairs but it stands to reason, if one wins in a contest with other elites this means pedigree and or ability.




Pigeonholes exist for Pigeons. The details are just threads in the tapestry of one life nothing more.



No Master I've know, worth his weight in salt has ever called themselves a master. I can learn more from a child or novice with Shoshin than I can from an expert.

jesus christ not this shit again