The most fucked up thing I've seen so far in the occupy movement.

[David Rosado]

i have protested many times before and even took my kids...

but every protest i went to never required police to come in and remove us...

you have a right to protest...

but, you dont have a right to occupy something that does not belong to you...

once you started to occupy the streets and parks you now are infringing on everyone elses rights...

this is all just union organized bs, the same people who voted for the bailouts...

They are not occupying the building. They're occupying public areas. These public areas are paid for by their taxes. I'd say they have a right to occupy that in a peaceful protest.

Thank you for taking your highly insightful second hand knowledge of what happened in NY and applying it to what happened on the other side of the country.

Sarcasm is not needed. If you have something intelligent to counter with, that would be more effective than simply trying to make my statement seem foolish with sarcasm. Besides, your logic is flawed. Do we not learn from history? History records an event. We learn how things work as a result. That being the case, it's safe to assume (I admit it's an assumption) that people may not have been able to hear the police as well as we might think considering that the situations are somewhat similar.

I'm sorry to hear these things happened to you.

Again, sarcasm is unnecessary. I say "we" because I'm part of this nation. I'm a citizen. They are assaulting unarmed civilians. That means that they'd be willing to do the same to any one of US.

Because of your disrespect of others and authority...

What authority do police officers have? They are authorized to deal with criminal offenses. Armed responses are authorized for defense. Force is authorized for threats. But if police behave like tyrants, they don't deserve respect and they are abusing their authority. The police should not be acting as bodyguards for the rich. They should not be partisan or biased. They should just be observing and ensuring that no crimes are being committed. They should control their emotions and handle things objectively.


Yes. A lot of protesters are behaving like idiots. A lot of protesters are trying to get under people's skin. This is a tough time for a lot of people. The country is screwed up and people are enraged. And they have the right to be. Cops should understand that. Let them do their thing as long as they're not breaking laws.

The protesters definitely need a lesson in how to peacibly protest though. I'll agree on that. A lot of what's going on is bafoonery.

[Jonathan Wylie]

You say my logic is flawed but yet you think that because somebody told you bull horns are hard to hear in a noisy environment that is better evidence than what you can hear with your own ears. The instructions came across loud and clear on the video. I have heard a bull horn used in a noisy environment and it was an effective form of communication so who's experience is more valid? Neither, I point to the evidence of the video. You are the one with the flawed logic. Sarcasm is not necessary it is fun.

[David Stager]

you have a right to [toothless] protest...

There. Fixed it for you. Believe me, if a day-time march through a police-approved route actually made a difference, they would tear-gas the shit out of that too. The police are going to crack down on any type of successful attack on the status quo. Our country is not exceptional. We may not be running protesters over with tanks right now, but wait until this thing grows large enough. I guarantee you if it does, they won't just be firing rubber bullets.

[David Rosado]

You say my logic is flawed but yet you think that because somebody told you bull horns are hard to hear in a noisy environment that is better evidence than what you can hear with your own ears. The instructions came across loud and clear on the video. I have heard a bull horn used in a noisy environment and it was an effective form of communication so who's experience is more valid? Neither, I point to the evidence of the video. You are the one with the flawed logic. Sarcasm is not necessary it is fun.

Were you there? No? Then you're assuming just as much as I am. I'm just pointing out that it might've been hard to hear. I'm not saying that they absolutely didn't hear. Just adding another possibility. Mentioning a potential possibility isn't flawed logic.

[Jack LaBarge]

Corporate greed sucks! But in the end Capitalism Wins! Nothing will change!!! The NY protest will end because of the cold weather coming. The only way things will change is if we have another Great Depression! Some will say we're close. We're not, but our economy will NEVER be as good as it was, until we have a strong middle class again! I don't see that happening!

[David Rosado]

Corporate greed sucks! But in the end Capitalism Wins! Nothing will change!!! The NY protest will end because of the cold weather coming. The only way things will change is if we have another Great Depression! Some will say we're close. We're not, but our economy will NEVER be as good as it was, until we have a strong middle class again! I don't see that happen!

+1

[Jonathan Wylie]

Were you there? No? Then you're assuming just as much as I am. I'm just pointing out that it might've been hard to hear. I'm not saying that they absolutely didn't hear. Just adding another possibility. Mentioning a potential possibility isn't flawed logic.

I'm not assuming anything I'm pointing to video evidence that clearly disproves your theory. The message was very clear I could play back the video and quote them verbatim.

[Ron Almeida]

There. Fixed it for you. Believe me, if a day-time march through a police-approved route actually made a difference, they would tear-gas the shit out of that too. The police are going to crack down on any type of successful attack on the status quo. Our country is not exceptional. We may not be running protesters over with tanks right now, but wait until this thing grows large enough. I guarantee you if it does, they won't just be firing rubber bullets.

i repeat i have been to MANY protests before even with my kids and NONE of this took place, why? because we respected others and authority. these idiots dont respect anyone or anything. i would Never associate myself with such people.

and the streets are not theirs, they are for All the public to use in a respectful way and following the laws.

the problem is these people think they are intitled to whatever they want, news flash... you are not intitled to anything, you have to make your own way prosperous just like the rest of us.

go get a job and if you cant find one, go start a business...

[chronic_jiujitsu]

In attempts to have an intelligent conversation on the issue. Im going to toss my 2 cents in and see what comes back. I think there's a good chance people may have heard the warning. I mean as soon as armed security with riot shields show up and cage you in.. chances are you know somethings going down. BUT.. even if they did hear.. I dont necessarily think that means they should have left.

I dont think its acceptable to allow police, or anyone else, to demand you give up your right to free speech/protest with threats of violence. People have the right to be heard. And for those saying that you can be heard from your house, and that you dont need to occupy public places.. Let's think logically here. Had these people been at home writing emails to congress, or sending tweets to the people in wallstreet.. we would have never heard of any of them. And none of this would have gotten any attention. There is power in numbers. People realize they can make a bigger difference together than they can by themselves. Or protesting in one of their backyards on private property.

And as for the police. They are here to protect us. And before you talk about "protecting" other citizens rights not involved in this movement. Think for a second how many injuries/acts of violence you've seen take place during these demonstrations. And think how many of those were started by protesters, or how many times cops have been injured by these citizens. And then think about how many people have been sent to the hospital by these cops who are supposed to be "protecting" the people. I think its safe to say that the cops arent there to keep things peaceful. They're there to quiet these people and stop them from protesting.

And whether or not you agree with the things the people are saying.. they still have the right to say it. I think if the westboro (Sp?) Baptist church is allowed to protest at military funerals, and be protected by law. Then people standing up against corruption in the govt should be allowed to have those same rights. And the fact that they are blocking off streets because of there numbers ought to say something.. Like perhaps this idea has some merit seeing as though there are seas of people showing up across the nation to stand together on the issue.

And as for this specific video. Again, I dont think there was a need for any violence to take place here. Lethal or not. And seeing a guy unconscious on the ground.. it only seems logical that a flashbang beside his face would only be detrimental to his well-being. He saw why the people were running back (to help), and he threw it anyway. So lets just say for argument sake that the first one shot point blank at head level to the audience was necessary. And giving that kid a skull fracture needed to happen because of reasons unknown to me.. Id say one should suffice. There comes a point when we have to realize, the people doing the most damage are not the ones pooping in streets. Its the ones sending people away in ambulances to have brain surgery. But thats just my opinions. We are all entitled to our own. Part of that freedom of speech thing

[Isaiah Mendoza]

i repeat i have been to MANY protests before even with my kids and NONE of this took place, why? because we respected others and authority. these idiots dont respect anyone or anything. i would Never associate myself with such people.

and the streets are not theirs, they are for All the public to use in a respectful way and following the laws.

the problem is these people think they are intitled to whatever they want, news flash... you are not intitled to anything, you have to make your own way prosperous just like the rest of us.

go get a job and if you can find one, go start a business...

jesus christ what is this shit? Ron, who gives a fuck what they're protesting? Why does that even matter? You're acting like that's important. Didn't you watch the video?

A police officer threw a flashbang into a crowd of people trying to help an injured man. That's fucked up. I don't give a shit about this political argument. everyone believes in different things, that's ok.

But the bottom line is a cop threw a flashbang into a crowd of innocents trying to help a wounded veteran. That's wrong. Period. You don't have to agree with what they're protesting to know that's wrong. jesus.